Thanks for the link Emerentiana.

I guess it only sounded like bs to me.

This whole thing is a giant fiasco.

Initially the SSPX were supposed to be in talks with Rome to "convert" them - what ever happened to that?

The Holy Spirit happened and melted the hardness of heart that has pride at its root.  

The truth is that one would be hard-pressed to demonstrate that Benedict XVI does not reject supernatural Faith in its entirety.

  Please, provide evidence to support the possibility that he rejects the "supernatural Faith in its entirety".

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The truth is that one would be hard-pressed to demonstrate that Benedict XVI does not reject supernatural Faith in its entirety.

  Please, provide evidence to support the possibility that he rejects the "supernatural Faith in its entirety".

Read his books.

He doesn't believe ANYTHING.

I'm not going to parse his modernistic gobbledygook and pretend that you'll give an honest response.  For example,

". heart of faith in the resurrection does not consist at all in the idea of the restoration of bodies,"

He's a false ecuмenist, a relativist, a subjectivist.

He approves of false worship of false religions, that should be enough for you effete clowns.

Actions speak louder than words.  If he had even a particle of Faith his behavior would be totally different.  

So he hasn't a "particle of faith"?  He doesn't believe in "ANYTHING" you say; so does that mean he rejects the Creed?  

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So he hasn't a "particle of faith"?  He doesn't believe in "ANYTHING" you say; so does that mean he rejects the Creed?  

Faith in the resurrection does not at all consist in the idea of the restoration of the bodies?

That means he denies the elect will have their bodies restored.  He says it's a "pictorial representation"

If Christ be preached, that he rose again from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen again. And if Christ be not risen again, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain"

Of course this statement of Father Ratzinger is just one of many many such statements that could be found that prove he rejects the real meaning of every tenet of the Catholic Faith.

If he were really Catholic he would act like it is the One True Faith that is necessary for salvation.  I've never yet seen the slightest indication he believes that is the case.  On the contrary, he quotes Teilhard de Chardin, retains notorious modernists in high positions in the Church, and engages in false ecuмenism without any concern for the scandal it creates.  He presides over the destruction of the Catholic Faith, and it's his intention to accomplish that end.

What does he mean when he said this?:

" In this way the reality of the birth of Jesus by the Virgin Mary, the effective institution of the Eucharist by Jesus at the Last Supper, his bodily resurrection from the dead - this is the meaning of the empty tomb - are elements of the faith as such, which it can and must defend against an only presumably superior historical knowledge."


Your citing from <Introduction to Christianity> and you are using the same partial quote that some protestants have used to try and make this false claim.  Rather than rehash a bunch of quotes, I will refer you to this website which refutes that supposition.

http://catholicdefense.blogspot.com/2012/01/does-pope-believe-in-resurrection.html

Here also is a link to the pages of <Jesus of Nazareth> where the Pope may clarify this misunderstanding:

http://books.google.com/books?id=cbzkRUa2j18C&lpg=PP1&dq=Benedict%20XVI%20Jesus&pg=PA242#v=onepage&q=Benedict%20XVI%20Jesus&f=false

The claims your making are not true and for the sake of the position you hold, you should be able to substantiate those claims and prove them to be highly probable.  You are speaking of the Vicar of Christ, which would make slander all the more offensive.  

The sedevacantist scans the Pope's writings, all the while looking for errors, while at the same time ignoring the truth they contain.  This is not a spirit of charity nor a mission to seek truth for the sake of Christ but a mission to affirm one's own beliefs out pride.

These traitors in the SSPX think that no one is going to hold them responsible for their treason.  They're dead wrong about that.

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The sedevacantist scans the Pope's writings, all the while looking for errors, while at the same time ignoring the truth they contain.  This is not a spirit of charity nor a mission to seek truth for the sake of Christ but a mission to affirm one's own beliefs out pride.

Your reasoning is off there. Truth+error doesn't equal truth or even half-truth, it equals error. The devil always adds just a smidget of truth to get people fooled.

St. Pius X explained exactly the tactics they use.

4. It is one of the cleverest devices of the Modernists (as they are commonly and rightly called) to present their doctrines without order and systematic arrangement, in a scattered and disjointed manner, so as to make it appear as if their minds were in doubt or hesitation, whereas in reality they are quite fixed and steadfast.

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Your citing from <Introduction to Christianity> and you are using the same partial quote that some protestants have used to try and make this false claim.  Rather than rehash a bunch of quotes, I will refer you to this website which refutes that supposition.

Your defense of his denial that the bodies are restored is a joke.  Why should anyone say that faith in the Resurrection doesn't at all consist in the restoration of bodies?  Unless bodies are not actually restored?  There is no other conceivable explanation.  I've read the passage in total.  I understand it.

Like I said before, it's USELESS to attmept to parse his gobbledygook with apologists for modernist lies.  

His actions speak for themselves.

Anyone with a particle of faith would NEVER act the way he has.  

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The claims your making are not true and for the sake of the position you hold, you should be able to substantiate those claims and prove them to be highly probable.

They are true, the SSPX says as much.  See the article "Prefect without Faith."  As did Archbishop Lefebvre.

It's a joke to pretend these people kiss korans and attend Jєωιѕн services and aren't renouncing the Catholic Faith.  A sick joke, that supporters of the  ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ clergy of the Novus Ordo like to make.

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You are speaking of the Vicar of Christ, which would make slander all the more offensive.  

No, what's offensive is for a public apostate to claim to be the Vicar of Christ.

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The sedevacantist scans the Pope's writings, all the while looking for errors, while at the same time ignoring the truth they contain.  This is not a spirit of charity nor a mission to seek truth for the sake of Christ but a mission to affirm one's own beliefs out pride.

Like I said before, there's no use arguing with apologists for lying, perfidious, sodomite enabling priests who make the religion into a joke.

The website I referred you to gives the full explanation of what you are trying to splice from his comments on the resurrection of bodies.

The SSPX is not the infallible Church.  I do not put my faith in SSPX.  The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth.

The office of Peter is the visible sign of Christ's Church; the Church that has his promise that the gates of hell will not prevail.  Tradition lives through that promise, it is preserved by him, not by sedevacantist, the SSPX, or liberal bishops.

Name a teaching the Pope has added to the deposit of faith that is heretical (I assume you know what would constitute that..ex cathedra,etc.).  Even if he did write errors in his personal writings it does not compromise his office, and the divine protection of infallibility.  

There is corruption in the Church but it will not prevail; we have our Lord's word for it.