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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: New SSPX Analysis of Sedevacantism
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2021, 06:59:19 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 24, 2021, 06:27:36 AM
They spend more time, effort, and energy on combatting SVism than going after the Modernists.
Sad, but true.
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: New SSPX Analysis of Sedevacantism
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2021, 07:14:10 AM »
Quote from: TKGS on July 23, 2021, 07:26:59 PM
I didn't watch the video, just looked at the thumbnail.  It says, "Why sedevacantism can't be the solution to the crisis."  This alone tells me that those presenting the video don't even understand fundamentals.

Sedevacantism is not a solution, nor has it ever been claimed to be a solution.  Sedevacantism is the truthful observation and description of the crisis.
Correct.  It is the diagnosis. 
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: New SSPX Analysis of Sedevacantism
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2021, 08:22:28 AM »
Quote from: Username on July 24, 2021, 06:46:36 AM
His argument in that case does nothing to destroy sedevacantism, but rather leads one also into home-alonism and admitting a defected Church... yikes.
Every. time. Anything but sedevacantism.

Bp. Pivarunas had a decent talk about supplied jurisdiction.


Fr. Hesse also had some good points on the subject, despite utilizing the "new code" of Canon law.
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Offline Hermes

Re: New SSPX Analysis of Sedevacantism
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2021, 09:10:33 AM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on July 24, 2021, 08:22:28 AM
Every. time. Anything but sedevacantism.

Bp. Pivarunas had a decent talk about supplied jurisdiction.


Fr. Hesse also had some good points on the subject, despite utilizing the "new code" of Canon law.


Fr. Tranquillo’s view of the argument for supplied jurisdiction is that there must be a Pope to provide that jurisdiction or there must be an ordinary ecclesiological structure put in place by a previous Pope until a new one is elected. Since both are missing at this time in the Sedevacantist position, no supplied jurisdiction is possible. He argues that the Church is not a “spirit” but is a material society and that while it is true that the Church provides jurisdiction when it is lacking for justified reasons nonetheless it has to be the “material” Church that provides it.


He didn’t cite any sources for his view and I am not versed well enough in ecclesiology to comment.


If anyone can shed light on this that would be nice.

P.S.

I will listen/watch both videos.
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: New SSPX Analysis of Sedevacantism
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2021, 09:53:34 AM »
Quote from: Hermes on July 24, 2021, 09:10:33 AM
there must be a Pope to provide that jurisdiction or there must be an ordinary ecclesiological structure put in place by a previous Pope until a new one is elected. Since both are missing at this time in the Sedevacantist position, no supplied jurisdiction is possible. 
From my understanding, if that were the case, then an interregnum of any length would prevent there being supplied jurisdiction. The ecclesiological structure in place would be that coming from the reign of Pius XII and those traditionally-ordained bishops following. It is not an argument for a spiritual Church like the Protestants, as valid bishops still exist, meaning there is a valid apostolic ecclesiastical structure, despite the absence of a head. Therefore, supplied jurisdiction exists despite there being a false, invalid hierarchy because there are still valid Catholic bishops and therefore the visible body of the Church still persists.
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