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Offline saintbosco13

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« on: January 31, 2017, 05:23:52 PM »
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  • Very useful - this new site compares quotes from Pope Francis to past teaching from the Catholic Church. Will leave you speechless!


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    « Reply #1 on: January 31, 2017, 11:26:10 PM »
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  • Do you mean like the importance of going to confession regularly?


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    « Reply #2 on: February 01, 2017, 07:43:36 AM »
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  • Quote from: saintbosco13
    Very useful - this new site compares quotes from Pope Francis to past teaching from the Catholic Church. Will leave you speechless!


    Thank you for sharing this!  It might be of use to my family, who are all in the novus ordo.  They are always asking me for specific examples of the problems and heresies of the modern popes.
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    « Reply #3 on: February 01, 2017, 11:55:06 AM »
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    Do you mean like the importance of going to confession regularly?


    No, this website actually provides links directly to the Vatican websites where Pope Francis is quoted approving of things like atheism, ѕυιcιdє, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, same-sex marriage, cohabitation, ecuмenism, and on and on. It's absolutely frightening and apparently many Catholics are unaware of it.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 01, 2017, 12:39:07 PM »
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  • Of course, the site pushes Sedevacantism in quite a dogmatic manner.

    When they convince you that Pope Francis is bad news, and that such errors have likely percolated down to the local dioceses, they give you a JOKE of a "global Mass directory" which only lists CMRI and other sedevacantist sites.

    At least Traditio makes some attempt to list ALL Traditional Mass centers, giving readers their strong recommendation (independent) and giving their personal, strong thumbs-down to Diocesan/Indult options. But at least they give desperate people an option, and leave it up to them.

    This website doesn't even do that. They are dogmatically sedevacantist. They seem to think that only a sedevacantist or "non Una cuм" Mass can lead to salvation, or bring graces. Fools! They are tools of the devil, leading souls away from the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass -- they brutally hack off sections of Our Lord's most sacred Body with a machete, so they can make unholy sacrifice to the devil on the diabolical altar of Sedevacantist politics!

    On that heading, I can't criticize them enough. As a matter of fact, Sedevacantism is QUITE optional, and in fact I must strongly recommend AGAINST it. But one must at least admit that sedevacantism isn't a dogma of Faith.

    There is nothing in the Traditional movement that says we must reject the current Papal claimant, much less that we must avoid Masses where the priest (routinely) mentions the name of that Pope during Mass.

    Anyone who thinks otherwise has let Fr. Cekada do their thinking for them. Before Fr. Cekada, you didn't have this huge plague of "anti Una cuм" sectarian thought. Before that MERCENARY, SELF-SERVING priest, sedevacantists would happily attend the Holy Sacrifice at chapels run by the SSPX, for example. May God have mercy on his soul, and grant him a conversion before death! He will be responsible for all the lost graces from every home aloner family he has created.
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    « Reply #5 on: February 01, 2017, 02:04:22 PM »
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  • Wow Matthew, I haven't even looked at the site, and now maybe I will, not sure.  I really don't like to waste my time reading what Francis has to say, since my time is limited and I prefer to spend it more positively, also I am not qualified to say if his quotes would be true to his word or not.  

    Your hatred for sedevacantist seems to be growing more and more each day, and I wonder why?  Could it be that you yourself are starting to see some truth in the claim of sedevacantism? (just curious, nothing more)  Based on other recent replies of yours regarding the position maybe you should take the steps of other sites and forbid us here. Just thinking of your blood pressure.  

    Since you insist Francis is the pope, I wonder what is your opinion about the quotes the site claims are they true or false? Based on what they claim he said.  

    I haven't heard anything prior to this reading about this site, therefore I would be surprised if CMRI had anything to do with the creating of it, since you say CMRI is mentioned, I will have to look into that. I do know that CMRI is not exclusive, a feeling from reading your description of the site.    

     
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    « Reply #6 on: February 01, 2017, 02:33:34 PM »
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  • I don't see sedevacantism mentioned anywhere on that site.

    The site simply lists quotes from Pope Francis on the homepage (obvious heresies) with direct links to those quotes on the Vatican websites.

    Another page on the website lists quotes from the past teaching of the Church on what happens if a Pope teaches heresy. That's basically all the site consists of. Looks pretty solid to me.


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    « Reply #7 on: February 01, 2017, 02:43:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: saintbosco13
    I don't see sedevacantism mentioned anywhere on that site.

    The site simply lists quotes from Pope Francis on the homepage (obvious heresies) with direct links to those quotes on the Vatican websites.

    Another page on the website lists quotes from the past teaching of the Church on what happens if a Pope teaches heresy. That's basically all the site consists of. Looks pretty solid to me.


    SaintBosco,
    Myrna,

    I'm not criticizing either of those things. I'm criticizing their position, and their reaction to these realities. Namely, with dogmatic, "you can't attend a Mass where the priest mentions the Pope in the Canon" sedevacantism.

    So, Myrna, I don't have a problem with sedevacantists as such, or with the CMRI if, as you say, they do not teach that one must be sedevacantist to be saved.

    It's not the personal opinion of sedevacantism that I have a problem with. It's those who elevate this issue to the status of dogma, and require people to stay home rather than attend a Mass where the Pope is mentioned in the Canon.

    Even sedevacantists didn't do this -- before Fr. Cekada came long. They were only concerned with A) keeping the Faith and B) seeking out certain and true Sacraments (which includes concerns about priestly ordination validity) Those are the fundamentals of Traditional Catholicism.

    What started out as a "very human" effort to reduce his competition and increase his bankroll/luxuries, Fr. Cekada's teachings and actions have had far-reaching consequences. Souls in places far from Cincinnati, OH are staying at home on Sunday because they read his website or his book, and are convinced by his novel, "non una cuм" position -- but they live hundreds of miles away, so they can't patronize Fr. Cekada himself (which is what Fr. C's position was designed for!) They merely become home-aloners, cut off from other Catholics, the Mass, and the life-giving Sacraments. Basically they are cut off from any practical expression of Catholicism.

    That is what boils my blood: sectarianism, error, and schism. In other words, cutting off souls from Christ and the Sacraments, and leading souls to hell.

    You better believe I feel strongly about that.

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    « Reply #8 on: February 01, 2017, 02:50:22 PM »
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  • Quote from: saintbosco13
    I don't see sedevacantism mentioned anywhere on that site.

    The site simply lists quotes from Pope Francis on the homepage (obvious heresies) with direct links to those quotes on the Vatican websites.

    Another page on the website lists quotes from the past teaching of the Church on what happens if a Pope teaches heresy. That's basically all the site consists of. Looks pretty solid to me.


    Except for the page on Mass locations, which has little more than a link to a PDF, which has this on the front page:

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    RÉPERTOIRE
    DES CENTRES DE MESSE
    “NON UNA cuм”
    EN FRANCE
    ET DANS LE MONDE
    Compilé par l’Abbé Héctor Lázaro Romero


    I don't consider myself literate in French, but I understand enough Latin to be able to translate that.

    Directory
    of Mass centers
    "non Una cuм"
    in France
    and around the world
    Compiled by Fr. Hector Lazaro Romero


    They're not just sedevacantist. They are dogmatic, "you can't go to an Una cuм Mass" sedevacantists. That places them in a dangerous fringe group.
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    « Reply #9 on: February 01, 2017, 02:59:54 PM »
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    I'm not criticizing either of those things. I'm criticizing their position, and their reaction to these realities. Namely, with dogmatic, "you can't attend a Mass where the priest mentions the Pope in the Canon" sedevacantism.


    Could you direct me to the place on the website that contains this statement?  I can't find it.  I didn't carefully read through everything, but I couldn't find anything that even hints of this belief.

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    « Reply #10 on: February 01, 2017, 03:01:45 PM »
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    Quote from: Matthew
    I'm not criticizing either of those things. I'm criticizing their position, and their reaction to these realities. Namely, with dogmatic, "you can't attend a Mass where the priest mentions the Pope in the Canon" sedevacantism.


    Could you direct me to the place on the website that contains this statement?  I can't find it.  I didn't carefully read through everything, but I couldn't find anything that even hints of this belief.


    See the post above yours. I answer the question clearly there:

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    Except for the page on Mass locations, which has little more than a link to a PDF, which has this on the front page:

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    RÉPERTOIRE
    DES CENTRES DE MESSE
    “NON UNA cuм”
    EN FRANCE
    ET DANS LE MONDE
    Compilé par l’Abbé Héctor Lázaro Romero


    I don't consider myself literate in French, but I understand enough Latin to be able to translate that.

    Directory
    of Mass centers
    "non Una cuм"
    in France
    and around the world
    Compiled by Fr. Hector Lazaro Romero


    They're not just sedevacantist. They are dogmatic, "you can't go to an Una cuм Mass" sedevacantists. That places them in a dangerous fringe group.


    They don't say "sedevacantist Mass centers" -- they say "non una cuм". Why don't they list the "una cuм" Mass centers, unless they believe (dogmatically) that they are illegitimate, schismatic, non-Catholic, sinful, etc.?

    Sedevacantists can be reasonable, that is to say non-dogmatic. They can attend recognize-and-resist Mass centers if necessary, and many of them have for decades. But you'll never find a non-dogmatic "non una cuм" sedevacantist anywhere but at a sedevacantist Mass.

    The position is inherently dogmatic and sectarian.

    Adding the "una cuм" issue to Traditional Catholicism is an accretion, period. Traditional Catholicism doesn't need that accretion.
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    « Reply #11 on: February 01, 2017, 03:08:49 PM »
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  • And by the way, I'm not stupid. Read my above post. Their belief is implicit, but very real nevertheless. They don't have to say, "everyone else is a heretic" for them to hold that belief.

    I know very well what they believe. One can deduce it from what they say on their website, and the rules of basic logic.

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    « Reply #12 on: February 01, 2017, 03:09:19 PM »
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  • Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go to work now.
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    « Reply #13 on: February 01, 2017, 05:15:49 PM »
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    And by the way, I'm not stupid. Read my above post. Their belief is implicit, but very real nevertheless. They don't have to say, "everyone else is a heretic" for them to hold that belief.

    I know very well what they believe. One can deduce it from what they say on their website, and the rules of basic logic.


    I'm wondering.  If someone asks you to recommend a Mass Center, do you recommend all traditional Mass Centers (e.g. the Traditio "Yellow Book") or do you recommend Resistance Mass Centers?


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    « Reply #14 on: February 01, 2017, 07:05:44 PM »
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  • Are sedi priest merely trying to flesh out the true enemies of the church by turning up the heat on "duplicitous church" minded churchmen.  Kind of like Trump asking "what the hell is going on here" after a terrorist attack.  How will the church push the enemies out and expose their subversive minds and activities?  The process is obviously not going to be painless.