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Offline LeDeg

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New Rite of Ordination and Excorcisms
« on: June 22, 2017, 02:35:26 PM »
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    • How do those that have positive doubt about the NO priests reconcile someone like Fr. Ripperger and his supposedly successful exorcisms. Thoughts?


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    Re: New Rite of Ordination and Excorcisms
    « Reply #1 on: June 22, 2017, 03:45:28 PM »
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    • Protestants and Jєωs have done exorcisms, that does not make them valid priests.

    I have serious doubts about the new rite of ordination and consecrations, that's not exactly a dogmatic belief. As long as I can find priests ordained in the old rite by bishop consecrated in the old rite, I will avoid the new rite priests. The word is doubt.

    By the way, the new rite does not form exorcists, so unless Fr. Rippinger was specifically ordained as an exorcist, he is not one.
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    Re: New Rite of Ordination and Excorcisms
    « Reply #2 on: June 22, 2017, 07:11:46 PM »
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    • The minor order of exorcist was abolished by Paul VI. One did not receive that minor order by "permission" from a bishop.
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    Re: New Rite of Ordination and Excorcisms
    « Reply #3 on: June 24, 2017, 12:51:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: LeDeg on June 22, 2017, 02:35:26 PM
    How do those that have positive doubt about the NO priests reconcile someone like Fr. Ripperger and his supposedly successful exorcisms. Thoughts?
    The Devil doesn't have any positive doubts. He know what is legitimate and what is not. 
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    Re: New Rite of Ordination and Excorcisms
    « Reply #4 on: June 24, 2017, 12:53:55 AM »
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    • In an address to members of the Congregation for the Clergy, the chairman of the International Association of Exorcists appealed for an improved formation of seminarians.
    “Those in charge of training seminarians, in light of the Gospel and of the Church teachings, should instruct them about the real existence, substance and nature of the demonic world,” said Father Francesco Bamonte.
    “The scant attention paid by seminaries and theological faculties to the demonic world today, and even its denial by some professors,” he continued, “is an extremely worrying factor.”
    Poor seminary formation, said Father Bamonte, leaves priests
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    unable to guarantee a profound spiritual direction … unable to offer the faithful a suitable catechesis on the devil’s activities, and unable to address the serious problems related to the rise in occult practices we have seen in recent decades, which has opened the door for the devil’s ever more virulent and powerful action in society.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=31939
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    Re: New Rite of Ordination and Excorcisms
    « Reply #5 on: June 24, 2017, 10:12:25 AM »
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    • Priesthood contains all the minor orders within it.  If one is ordained a priest, the equivalent of the Minor Order of Exorcist is also there.

    That's different, of course, from having received authority/authorization from a bishop to perform exorcisms.
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    Re: New Rite of Ordination and Excorcisms
    « Reply #6 on: June 25, 2017, 12:38:43 PM »
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    • I've thought a lot about this since Fr. Ripperger's recordings helped me discover tradition.  

    I'm not sure that his exorcisms are positive proof by themselves that the new rite of Holy Orders is valid.  Even father has admitted that protestants and non-Christians occasionally perform successful exorcisms.

    Here's what I think really merits some serious thought, and this mostly involves the validity of the new rite of episcopal consecration:

    1) Fr. Ripperger claims that the demons he deals with know when he's been given faculties by a bishop to perform a solemn exorcism.  I've heard him talk about demons that will ask him, "Where's your authority?" which is a sign that he needs faculties in order to drive the demon out.  Father claims that when he returns after getting faculties, he doesn't even have to say anything to the demon; they immediately begin submitting to his authority.  This would seem to prove that bishops consecrated in the new rite have authority.  Maybe their authority is simply material, but whatever it is, it's effective in the context of spiritual warfare (which is significant).

    2) No only does Fr. Ripperger claim that bishops consecrated in the new rite have jurisdiction, he also claims to have received effective faculties for a solemn exorcism from a bishop who was a heretic.

    3)  Finally, Fr. Ripperger claims that demons react to the Hosts he has consecrated and uses during exorcisms.  The really interesting footnote here is that he seems to imply that demons know the difference between hosts consecrated in the TLM and hosts consecrated in the NO.  Father claims that ultimately they, "react the exact same way to both," but that they will differentiate between the Hosts, "using various crafty means."

    You can hear Fr. Ripperger talk about some of this at about the 11:50 mark of this lecture:
    http://www.sensustraditionis.org/webaudio/SW/SpiritualWarfare3a.mp3
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