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Offline Giovanni Berto

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Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2025, 11:37:18 PM »
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  • This man sounds so familar. He is kind of a "stock" Novus Ordo priest. Francis was not, he gave us some surprises, but this Prevost Leo fellow seems somehow so predictable.

    When I look at him and hear him speak I feel like I am back in a Novus Ordo parish. There is absolutely nothing new or different about him. 

    We'll have to wait and see if he gives us some surprises. I imagine that we will have a somewhat calmer time, with things slowly but firmly going ahead (in the wrong direction of course), without any Francis style shocks or surprise movements. Time will tell.

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    Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
    « Reply #16 on: May 11, 2025, 04:16:44 AM »
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    ^^^ This is a perfect example of my point, that when this guy talks it will be so weird that nobody will be able to understand what he's talking about. Eventually people tune out someone like that.

    I think the days of Bergoglio's "gαy is good!" clarity are over.
    Yes, after some thought, it isn't as bad as it sounds initially.

    It's hard to know what he meant at first though, you have to admit. And I always consider "What would the 50% of people think, who don't click on the article?" -- that is a very important consideration. Because it's a FACT that many people never go deeper than the headline. So if it leaves a vague impression, some impression *contradicted* by the article, etc. that doesn't matter -- because 1/2 or more people won't even read the article behind the headline.

    AND -- at the very least, he's engaging in shock statements, kind of like clickbait. I've seen so much of this from the last couple Popes. It gets so tiresome.
    Yeah, I can agree with that. It's juvenile language, first of all (why use a comic-book analogy to begin with?), but muddled language has been a token of the post-V2 Church. When I was younger, I just assumed this is how intelligent people spoke, and that my fuzzy understanding was just a result of my lack of education.

    I remember the first time I read an encyclical from Pope Pius IX, I was shocked at how clear and incisive the language was. Sometimes it could still be a poetic, but at all points I knew exactly what he was getting at and what the "point" of the encyclical was. What was being condemned, what clergy or laity were being enjoined to do, it was just obvious. That really is not the case from anything post-Vatican 2, where you feel like you're reading something from a post-modernist mumbo-jumbo generator.

    I think, as with the academic papers of postmodernists (who were brutally exposed in the Sokal Affair), the mumbo-jumbo is a (1) from more intelligent users, a tactic to obfuscate their writing, as, if it's ambiguous, it's more difficult to criticise, attack, or refute, and (2) from the less intelligent users, defense mechanism whereby they hide their lack of intellect, or having anything meaningful to say, behind an obscurantist layer of terminology designed to dazzle or wow an uncritical reader into thinking it's a work of genius. Everyone can nod along and walk away with a vague warm feeling and a smile, happy that they heard some nice words about how hermeneutic  synodality can help to re-envision the Church's pastoral direction to lesbian Amazonians.


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    Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
    « Reply #17 on: May 11, 2025, 05:34:38 AM »
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  • What kind of satanic "pectoral cross" is that? Where is the corpus? Why is it not even a cross, more of a plus sign?
    He placates the prots, heretics and anti Catholics who preach Christ is " no longer on the cross" bs, when they miss the entire point of thd Crucifix that Christ suffering and dying by crucifixation was the whole basis of Christianity, he died for our eternal salvation. No Christ on the cross, omits the message. They eliminate the Body of Christ on purpose, just like they do not believe in the Real Presence.

    Everything is subliminal.

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    Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
    « Reply #18 on: May 11, 2025, 06:19:51 AM »
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  • Something that everyone is missing --

    Prevost graduated high school in the early 1970s. His ENTIRE ersatz priestly formation took place in the 1970s.

    This man claiming the Chair of Peter is THE FIRST CONCILIAR POPE TO HAVE BEEN FORMED ENTIRELY IN THE POST-CONCILIAR SYSTEM!

    HE IS A FRUIT, NOT A CAUSE, OF VATICAN II.

    He is from a different generation than those to which Bergoglio, Ratzinger, Wojtyła, and Montini belonged. Prevost is a Baby Boomer -- an American Baby Boomer!

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    Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
    « Reply #19 on: May 11, 2025, 06:41:29 AM »
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  • Can Michael Matt get any more PATHETIC?

    Most Recent Post on X:

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    A good sign. . .
    Pope Leo XIV will reside in the Apostolic Palace, rather than the less austere Casa Santa Marta. In other words, the light in the Pope's window overlooking the Piazza will come on again.
    Welcome back, Holiness.

    :facepalm:

    So he can be a flaming Modernist, but if he lives at the Apostolic Palace, this means something.


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    Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
    « Reply #20 on: May 11, 2025, 07:23:38 AM »
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  • Something that everyone is missing --

    Prevost graduated high school in the early 1970s. His ENTIRE ersatz priestly formation took place in the 1970s.

    This man claiming the Chair of Peter is THE FIRST CONCILIAR POPE TO HAVE BEEN FORMED ENTIRELY IN THE POST-CONCILIAR SYSTEM!

    HE IS A FRUIT, NOT A CAUSE, OF VATICAN II.

    He is from a different generation than those to which Bergoglio, Ratzinger, Wojtyła, and Montini belonged. Prevost is a Baby Boomer -- an American Baby Boomer!


    I attended a novus ordo parochial school during that era and it was even gαyer then than by today's standards...if that can be believed. We had the felt banners, the butch women giving the readings, priests in rainbow vestments that Elton John might wear, the guitar masses, the horrendous hymns, modernist architecture with those ubiquitous Matisse inspired stained glass windows, the jokes from the pulpit about making the sermon brief so as to get home before the NFL game starts. The pastor was an old Irish priest who was in WWII and had seen heavy action but despite being ordained in the 50's he went along with it all. I had no clue the mass had ever been any different but I knew something was unsatisfying about it, something very effeminate and tepid. 

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    Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
    « Reply #21 on: May 11, 2025, 09:50:22 AM »
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  • Yeah, I can agree with that. It's juvenile language, first of all (why use a comic-book analogy to begin with?)

    The concept of the "superman" (Übermensch) actually comes from Nietzsche, whom Prevost studied in university.

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    Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
    « Reply #22 on: May 11, 2025, 09:51:16 AM »
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  • Can Michael Matt get any more PATHETIC?

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    :facepalm:

    So he can be a flaming Modernist, but if he lives at the Apostolic Palace, this means something.

    I watched one of his videos somewhat recently where he said, 'sedevacantism just isn't strategic...  do you know how many people we'd alienate with sedevacantism?'  Matt is on the verge of confusing a lot of people, and already has confused many if they read that rag on a regular basis.


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    Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
    « Reply #23 on: May 11, 2025, 09:52:13 AM »
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  • I attended a novus ordo parochial school during that era and it was even gαyer then than by today's standards...if that can be believed. We had the felt banners, the butch women giving the readings, priests in rainbow vestments that Elton John might wear, the guitar masses, the horrendous hymns, modernist architecture with those ubiquitous Matisse inspired stained glass windows, the jokes from the pulpit about making the sermon brief so as to get home before the NFL game starts. The pastor was an old Irish priest who was in WWII and had seen heavy action but despite being ordained in the 50's he went along with it all. I had no clue the mass had ever been any different but I knew something was unsatisfying about it, something very effeminate and tepid.

    ^^THIS

    (though our diocese was fairly conservative liturgically and rainbow vestments weren't yet a thing)

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    Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
    « Reply #24 on: May 11, 2025, 09:54:39 AM »
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  • Something that everyone is missing --

    Prevost graduated high school in the early 1970s. His ENTIRE ersatz priestly formation took place in the 1970s.

    This man claiming the Chair of Peter is THE FIRST CONCILIAR POPE TO HAVE BEEN FORMED ENTIRELY IN THE POST-CONCILIAR SYSTEM!

    HE IS A FRUIT, NOT A CAUSE, OF VATICAN II.

    He is from a different generation than those to which Bergoglio, Ratzinger, Wojtyła, and Montini belonged. Prevost is a Baby Boomer -- an American Baby Boomer!


    Very interesting point.  Prevost represents the 'culmination' of the Vatican II trainwreck.  This could get even stranger still, if that's possible.

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    Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
    « Reply #25 on: May 11, 2025, 12:45:04 PM »
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  • I watched one of his videos somewhat recently where he said, 'sedevacantism just isn't strategic...  do you know how many people we'd alienate with sedevacantism?'  Matt is on the verge of confusing a lot of people, and already has confused many if they read that rag on a regular basis.

    So with that comment he basically admitted the grift.

    He's out there deriding Trads for having criticized Ratzinger at his election ... with the implication of "but look at how that turned out".

    Matt is just a faithless Modernist taking advantage of the millions of disgruntled Catholics out there, where he talks Traddie enough to get their attention but refuses to follow the truth where it leads at risk of alienating too many of his revenue base.


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    Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
    « Reply #26 on: May 11, 2025, 12:56:14 PM »
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  • Always remember --

    Sr. Mary Pantsuit and Susan from the Parish Council were from the Silent Generation. They were all-in with support for Vatican II because it was "new", "relevant", and "open". It was an opportunity to break free from their grandparents' (The Lost Generation) "stagnant" and "repressive" religion left over from the 19th century. The Silent Generation could be "Adult Catholics" with Vatican II, whatever that may mean.

    Boomers experienced things differently. They were children or adolescents during Vatican II, at most very young adults amongst the oldest. They know very little of whst came before the Council, emotions and vague visual impression at best, filtered through the pro-Vatican II propaganda of the WW2 Generation (Vatican II was their baby!) and the Silent Generation.

    Prevost is a Boomer. He lacks the cynicism and non-joiner nature of Gen X (😊👍) as well as lacks the progressive optimism and egalitarianism of Millennials. No, he is a Boomer.

    This will be a very interesting and unsettling period.

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    Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
    « Reply #27 on: May 11, 2025, 01:13:43 PM »
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  • Something that everyone is missing --

    Prevost graduated high school in the early 1970s. His ENTIRE ersatz priestly formation took place in the 1970s.

    This man claiming the Chair of Peter is THE FIRST CONCILIAR POPE TO HAVE BEEN FORMED ENTIRELY IN THE POST-CONCILIAR SYSTEM!

    HE IS A FRUIT, NOT A CAUSE, OF VATICAN II.

    He is from a different generation than those to which Bergoglio, Ratzinger, Wojtyła, and Montini belonged. Prevost is a Baby Boomer -- an American Baby Boomer!

    I wonder what, if any ties Prevost has to McCarrick. Was Prevost formed in a lavender seminary? We know that Cupich and McCarrick are connected. 

    - St. Augustine Seminary High School in Holland, MI

    From a FB page called "Remembering Holland Michigan:"

    https://www.facebook.com/RememberingHollandMichigan/posts/pope-leo-xiv-formerly-robert-francis-prevost-attended-st-augustine-seminary-high/1090274179794142/

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    Pope Leo XIV, formerly Robert Francis Prevost, attended St. Augustine Seminary High School in Holland, Michigan, during his high school years. This seminary, now known as the Felt Estate, was a boarding school operated by priests of the Order of St. Augustine.



    "According to a release from Laketown Township, Prevost graduated from the school in 1973."

    See: https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/nation-world/2025/05/08/pope-leo-xiv-graduated-from-former-seminary-at-felt-estate/83526950007/

    From the same article: "Prevost was born in Chicago in 1955. He graduated from the seminary in 1973, according to a release from Laketown Township. The school closed in 1977. He became an Augustinian novitiate in 1977 and made his "solemn profession" in 1981, the Chicago Province said in a release.

    "Following ordination in 1982, he went on to earn advanced degrees in canon law in Rome and spent the decades serving as a missionary in Peru, as an educator and formator, as prior provincial, and later as prior general of the Augustinian Order for two terms."

    If you follow the ordination link, it takes you to this page: https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/pope-leo-xiv

    This article tells you nothing about where he went to seminary. 

    If he graduated high school in 1973, and was ordained in 1982, where was he during the intervening nine years? They are happy to provide us with biographical information post-1982, but there's a big fat hole during the 9-year blackout. 

    Here's the wiki page: "Born in Chicago, Illinois, United States, and raised in a town nearby, Prevost became a friar of the Order of Saint Augustine in 1977 and was ordained a priest in 1982. His service has included extensive missionary work in Peru from 1985 to 1986 and from 1988 to 1998, where he variously served as a parish pastor, diocesan official, seminary teacher, and administrator."

    He became a novice in 1977. Exactly where did he enter? What diocese? city? Who was the prior then? Who the bishop? Where was he from 1973 to 1977? How and where was he trained for the priesthood? What corrupt prelates associated themselves to him? Just how lavender was that missing nine years? How lavender was his Augustinian order? Many questions that need answering. 

    Calling Randy Engel!


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    Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
    « Reply #28 on: May 11, 2025, 01:34:14 PM »
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    PREVOST: "In this regard, I would like us to renew together today our complete commitment to the path that the universal church has now followed for decades in the wake of the Second Vatican Council."

    Ratzinger did the exact same thing out of the gate. It's the equivalent of a candidate for office putting on a yarmulke and bobbing in front of the wailing wall - not in any way shape or form a wall of the actual Temple which was completely destroyed in AD 70 by Titus.



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    Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
    « Reply #29 on: May 11, 2025, 02:36:39 PM »
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  • I wonder what, if any ties Prevost has to McCarrick. Was Prevost formed in a lavender seminary? We know that Cupich and McCarrick are connected.

    - St. Augustine Seminary High School in Holland, MI

    From a FB page called "Remembering Holland Michigan:"

    https://www.facebook.com/RememberingHollandMichigan/posts/pope-leo-xiv-formerly-robert-francis-prevost-attended-st-augustine-seminary-high/1090274179794142/



    "According to a release from Laketown Township, Prevost graduated from the school in 1973."

    See: https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/nation-world/2025/05/08/pope-leo-xiv-graduated-from-former-seminary-at-felt-estate/83526950007/

    From the same article: "Prevost was born in Chicago in 1955. He graduated from the seminary in 1973, according to a release from Laketown Township. The school closed in 1977. He became an Augustinian novitiate in 1977 and made his "solemn profession" in 1981, the Chicago Province said in a release.

    "Following ordination in 1982, he went on to earn advanced degrees in canon law in Rome and spent the decades serving as a missionary in Peru, as an educator and formator, as prior provincial, and later as prior general of the Augustinian Order for two terms."

    If you follow the ordination link, it takes you to this page: https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/pope-leo-xiv

    This article tells you nothing about where he went to seminary.

    If he graduated high school in 1973, and was ordained in 1982, where was he during the intervening nine years? They are happy to provide us with biographical information post-1982, but there's a big fat hole during the 9-year blackout.

    Here's the wiki page: "Born in Chicago, Illinois, United States, and raised in a town nearby, Prevost became a friar of the Order of Saint Augustine in 1977 and was ordained a priest in 1982. His service has included extensive missionary work in Peru from 1985 to 1986 and from 1988 to 1998, where he variously served as a parish pastor, diocesan official, seminary teacher, and administrator."

    He became a novice in 1977. Exactly where did he enter? What diocese? city? Who was the prior then? Who the bishop? Where was he from 1973 to 1977? How and where was he trained for the priesthood? What corrupt prelates associated themselves to him? Just how lavender was that missing nine years? How lavender was his Augustinian order? Many questions that need answering.

    Calling Randy Engel!
    Very good questions- sometimes it is what is missing that is most revealing. 
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