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Title: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Matthew on May 10, 2025, 07:00:23 AM
Remember Pope Francis, "Who am I to judge?" Well, the new Pope just dropped his own equivalent of this, equally infamous:

"Jesus isn't Superman"

In an article by "John Johnson" (note: Sean is the Irish version of the name John. Not saying this was by Sean Johnson, I'm just saying it because we used to have a "John Johnson" of sorts here on CI)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/society-culture-and-history/religion-and-spirituality/new-pope-jesus-isn-t-superman/ar-AA1Euk8g?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Pope Leo XIV celebrated his first Mass on Friday as head of the Catholic Church. Some highlights of key lines and moments:
・Leo fretted about the image of Jesus, among both non-believers and baptized Christians, per Vatican News (https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-05/pope-leo-xiv-homily-faith-college-cardinals-sistine-chapel.html). "There are many settings in which Jesus, although appreciated as a man, is reduced to a kind of charismatic leader or superman." The UK Times (https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/pope-leo-mass-sistine-chapel-vatican-kvg5c9hpq) reads this as an apparent reference to evangelical Christians.

・The first American pope in history also warned that much of the world lived "in a state of de facto atheism," reports the Wall Street Journal (https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/new-pope-warns-against-spread-of-de-facto-atheism-a7fc66ce). "There are many settings in which the Christian faith is considered absurd, meant for the weak and unintelligent. Settings where other securities are preferred, like technology, money, success, power, or pleasure," he said. "They are the places where our missionary outreach is desperately needed."
・This loss of faith has contributed to "appalling violations of human dignity" throughout the world, he said, per the New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/05/09/world/pope-leo-xiv-news).
・The AP  (https://www.newser.com/article/1c1752bacc935c02af5f839a05de9a39/pope-leo-xiv-celebrates-first-mass-as-pope-and-calls-his-election-both-a-cross-and-a-blessing.html)notes that two women delivered readings, possibly a sign that Leo will continue Francis' efforts to expand the role of women in the church. He also wore "simple black shoes," like Francis, skipping red ones favored by traditionalist popes, notes the outlet.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: forlorn on May 10, 2025, 12:14:08 PM
Well he didn't say "Jesus isn't superman", he says that many "believers" and non-believers reduce Jesus to a superman, i.e. they just believe He was some guy who had magical powers rather than God.

So this seems like a totally reasonable thing to say. He's condemning people who reduce Jesus from God to superhero.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Yeti on May 10, 2025, 12:54:58 PM
Yeah ... we are still very early in this situation so it's hard to make any predictions, but what I have seen so far is that this guy probably won't do a whole lot of talking, and when he does say something it will be gobbledegook like this that nobody will understand and therefore everyone will just ignore it.

It won't be like Francis who insulted and degraded every basic, decent human being on this planet literally every time he opened his mouth.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Dolores on May 10, 2025, 01:39:02 PM
I’m not sure I understand the objection to what he said.  He is saying that Christ should NOT be reduced to some kind of superhero, He is far more than that, He is God incarnate.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Matthew on May 10, 2025, 02:12:02 PM
Yes, after some thought, it isn't as bad as it sounds initially.

It's hard to know what he meant at first though, you have to admit. And I always consider "What would the 50% of people think, who don't click on the article?" -- that is a very important consideration. Because it's a FACT that many people never go deeper than the headline. So if it leaves a vague impression, some impression *contradicted* by the article, etc. that doesn't matter -- because 1/2 or more people won't even read the article behind the headline.

AND -- at the very least, he's engaging in shock statements, kind of like clickbait. I've seen so much of this from the last couple Popes. It gets so tiresome.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Yeti on May 10, 2025, 02:20:39 PM
I’m not sure I understand the objection to what he said.  He is saying that Christ should NOT be reduced to some kind of superhero, He is far more than that, He is God incarnate.
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^^^ This is a perfect example of my point, that when this guy talks it will be so weird that nobody will be able to understand what he's talking about. Eventually people tune out someone like that.

I think the days of Bergoglio's "gαy is good!" clarity are over.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Ladislaus on May 10, 2025, 03:40:56 PM
This is probably the biggest load of word salad I've ever heard ... making even Kamala hαɾɾιs sound intelligible and intelligent by comparison.  OK, well may not, but he's close ....  Is he high on weed when he made this statement?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVRu6DWxF-A
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Ladislaus on May 10, 2025, 03:46:06 PM
This is a close second, showing that the above was no aberration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da-mLQLrTwQ
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Ladislaus on May 10, 2025, 03:51:13 PM
So, when we were younger, before we became Traditional Catholics, my brothers and I composed something we called the "Community Poem", which featured the typical Novus Ordo word salad types of phrases and concepts.  Then, when my younger brother was appyling to the Jesuit High School there in Cleveland, the local parish was offering a small scholarship that was awarded for an essay.

So we got together and wrote this masterpiece of absurd word salad that was so over-the-top ridiculous that we were literally rolling around on the floor laughing and while I can't remember too much of it form 40+ years ago, it included phrases like "community of sharing and caring" and "rainbows of diversity".

He won the scholarship ... and he was told it was one of the best esaays ever submitted.

We were literally gobsmacked ... having thought that Steve would be reprimanded, since this stuff was SO over the top (even by their standards) that we were sure that they would see it for the obvious satire that it was.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on May 10, 2025, 04:19:50 PM
This is probably the biggest load of word salad I've ever heard ... making even Kamala hαɾɾιs sound intelligible and intelligent by comparison.  OK, well may not, but he's close ....  Is he high on weed when he made this statement?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVRu6DWxF-A
No mention of Jesus Christ. 
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on May 10, 2025, 04:50:19 PM
He has been preaching nonsense. 

(https://i.imgur.com/UHaWbAQ.png)
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on May 10, 2025, 04:52:26 PM
How many baby murdered by abortion, Robert Prevost??

How many children raped by priests? 


White washed by thoughts and prayers??
And you reposted this anti Catholic lie, Mr. Prevost?  If people repented and believed in the one true God, there would be far less people abusing weapons.  Thou shalt not kill. 



Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Ladislaus on May 10, 2025, 05:12:50 PM
This is probably the biggest load of word salad I've ever heard ... making even Kamala hαɾɾιs sound intelligible and intelligent by comparison.  OK, well may not, but he's close ....  Is he high on weed when he made this statement?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVRu6DWxF-A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Predestination2 on May 10, 2025, 10:56:53 PM
Always remember prevost agrees with Vatican 2. If he was a Catholic he would have burned the docuмents of Vatican 2 in St Peter’s square. 
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Matthew on May 10, 2025, 11:15:53 PM
What kind of satanic "pectoral cross" is that? Where is the corpus? Why is it not even a cross, more of a plus sign?
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Giovanni Berto on May 10, 2025, 11:37:18 PM
This man sounds so familar. He is kind of a "stock" Novus Ordo priest. Francis was not, he gave us some surprises, but this Prevost Leo fellow seems somehow so predictable.

When I look at him and hear him speak I feel like I am back in a Novus Ordo parish. There is absolutely nothing new or different about him. 

We'll have to wait and see if he gives us some surprises. I imagine that we will have a somewhat calmer time, with things slowly but firmly going ahead (in the wrong direction of course), without any Francis style shocks or surprise movements. Time will tell.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: forlorn on May 11, 2025, 04:16:44 AM
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^^^ This is a perfect example of my point, that when this guy talks it will be so weird that nobody will be able to understand what he's talking about. Eventually people tune out someone like that.

I think the days of Bergoglio's "gαy is good!" clarity are over.
Yes, after some thought, it isn't as bad as it sounds initially.

It's hard to know what he meant at first though, you have to admit. And I always consider "What would the 50% of people think, who don't click on the article?" -- that is a very important consideration. Because it's a FACT that many people never go deeper than the headline. So if it leaves a vague impression, some impression *contradicted* by the article, etc. that doesn't matter -- because 1/2 or more people won't even read the article behind the headline.

AND -- at the very least, he's engaging in shock statements, kind of like clickbait. I've seen so much of this from the last couple Popes. It gets so tiresome.
Yeah, I can agree with that. It's juvenile language, first of all (why use a comic-book analogy to begin with?), but muddled language has been a token of the post-V2 Church. When I was younger, I just assumed this is how intelligent people spoke, and that my fuzzy understanding was just a result of my lack of education.

I remember the first time I read an encyclical from Pope Pius IX, I was shocked at how clear and incisive the language was. Sometimes it could still be a poetic, but at all points I knew exactly what he was getting at and what the "point" of the encyclical was. What was being condemned, what clergy or laity were being enjoined to do, it was just obvious. That really is not the case from anything post-Vatican 2, where you feel like you're reading something from a post-modernist mumbo-jumbo generator.

I think, as with the academic papers of postmodernists (who were brutally exposed in the Sokal Affair), the mumbo-jumbo is a (1) from more intelligent users, a tactic to obfuscate their writing, as, if it's ambiguous, it's more difficult to criticise, attack, or refute, and (2) from the less intelligent users, defense mechanism whereby they hide their lack of intellect, or having anything meaningful to say, behind an obscurantist layer of terminology designed to dazzle or wow an uncritical reader into thinking it's a work of genius. Everyone can nod along and walk away with a vague warm feeling and a smile, happy that they heard some nice words about how hermeneutic  synodality can help to re-envision the Church's pastoral direction to lesbian Amazonians.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: alaric on May 11, 2025, 05:34:38 AM
What kind of satanic "pectoral cross" is that? Where is the corpus? Why is it not even a cross, more of a plus sign?
He placates the prots, heretics and anti Catholics who preach Christ is " no longer on the cross" bs, when they miss the entire point of thd Crucifix that Christ suffering and dying by crucifixation was the whole basis of Christianity, he died for our eternal salvation. No Christ on the cross, omits the message. They eliminate the Body of Christ on purpose, just like they do not believe in the Real Presence.

Everything is subliminal.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: ElwinRansom1970 on May 11, 2025, 06:19:51 AM
Something that everyone is missing --

Prevost graduated high school in the early 1970s. His ENTIRE ersatz priestly formation took place in the 1970s.

This man claiming the Chair of Peter is THE FIRST CONCILIAR POPE TO HAVE BEEN FORMED ENTIRELY IN THE POST-CONCILIAR SYSTEM!

HE IS A FRUIT, NOT A CAUSE, OF VATICAN II.

He is from a different generation than those to which Bergoglio, Ratzinger, Wojtyła, and Montini belonged. Prevost is a Baby Boomer -- an American Baby Boomer!

(https://i.imgur.com/qBcbMK8.jpeg)
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Ladislaus on May 11, 2025, 06:41:29 AM
Can Michael Matt get any more PATHETIC?

Most Recent Post on X:

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A good sign. . .
Pope Leo XIV will reside in the Apostolic Palace, rather than the less austere Casa Santa Marta. In other words, the light in the Pope's window overlooking the Piazza will come on again.
Welcome back, Holiness.

:facepalm:

So he can be a flaming Modernist, but if he lives at the Apostolic Palace, this means something.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: VerdenFell on May 11, 2025, 07:23:38 AM
Something that everyone is missing --

Prevost graduated high school in the early 1970s. His ENTIRE ersatz priestly formation took place in the 1970s.

This man claiming the Chair of Peter is THE FIRST CONCILIAR POPE TO HAVE BEEN FORMED ENTIRELY IN THE POST-CONCILIAR SYSTEM!

HE IS A FRUIT, NOT A CAUSE, OF VATICAN II.

He is from a different generation than those to which Bergoglio, Ratzinger, Wojtyła, and Montini belonged. Prevost is a Baby Boomer -- an American Baby Boomer!

(https://i.imgur.com/qBcbMK8.jpeg)
I attended a novus ordo parochial school during that era and it was even gαyer then than by today's standards...if that can be believed. We had the felt banners, the butch women giving the readings, priests in rainbow vestments that Elton John might wear, the guitar masses, the horrendous hymns, modernist architecture with those ubiquitous Matisse inspired stained glass windows, the jokes from the pulpit about making the sermon brief so as to get home before the NFL game starts. The pastor was an old Irish priest who was in WWII and had seen heavy action but despite being ordained in the 50's he went along with it all. I had no clue the mass had ever been any different but I knew something was unsatisfying about it, something very effeminate and tepid. 
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: SimpleMan on May 11, 2025, 09:50:22 AM
Yeah, I can agree with that. It's juvenile language, first of all (why use a comic-book analogy to begin with?)

The concept of the "superman" (Übermensch) actually comes from Nietzsche, whom Prevost studied in university.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: MiracleOfTheSun on May 11, 2025, 09:51:16 AM
Can Michael Matt get any more PATHETIC?

Most Recent Post on X:

:facepalm:

So he can be a flaming Modernist, but if he lives at the Apostolic Palace, this means something.

I watched one of his videos somewhat recently where he said, 'sedevacantism just isn't strategic...  do you know how many people we'd alienate with sedevacantism?'  Matt is on the verge of confusing a lot of people, and already has confused many if they read that rag on a regular basis.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: SimpleMan on May 11, 2025, 09:52:13 AM
I attended a novus ordo parochial school during that era and it was even gαyer then than by today's standards...if that can be believed. We had the felt banners, the butch women giving the readings, priests in rainbow vestments that Elton John might wear, the guitar masses, the horrendous hymns, modernist architecture with those ubiquitous Matisse inspired stained glass windows, the jokes from the pulpit about making the sermon brief so as to get home before the NFL game starts. The pastor was an old Irish priest who was in WWII and had seen heavy action but despite being ordained in the 50's he went along with it all. I had no clue the mass had ever been any different but I knew something was unsatisfying about it, something very effeminate and tepid.

^^THIS

(though our diocese was fairly conservative liturgically and rainbow vestments weren't yet a thing)
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: MiracleOfTheSun on May 11, 2025, 09:54:39 AM
Something that everyone is missing --

Prevost graduated high school in the early 1970s. His ENTIRE ersatz priestly formation took place in the 1970s.

This man claiming the Chair of Peter is THE FIRST CONCILIAR POPE TO HAVE BEEN FORMED ENTIRELY IN THE POST-CONCILIAR SYSTEM!

HE IS A FRUIT, NOT A CAUSE, OF VATICAN II.

He is from a different generation than those to which Bergoglio, Ratzinger, Wojtyła, and Montini belonged. Prevost is a Baby Boomer -- an American Baby Boomer!

(https://i.imgur.com/qBcbMK8.jpeg)
Very interesting point.  Prevost represents the 'culmination' of the Vatican II trainwreck.  This could get even stranger still, if that's possible.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Ladislaus on May 11, 2025, 12:45:04 PM
I watched one of his videos somewhat recently where he said, 'sedevacantism just isn't strategic...  do you know how many people we'd alienate with sedevacantism?'  Matt is on the verge of confusing a lot of people, and already has confused many if they read that rag on a regular basis.

So with that comment he basically admitted the grift.

He's out there deriding Trads for having criticized Ratzinger at his election ... with the implication of "but look at how that turned out".

Matt is just a faithless Modernist taking advantage of the millions of disgruntled Catholics out there, where he talks Traddie enough to get their attention but refuses to follow the truth where it leads at risk of alienating too many of his revenue base.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: ElwinRansom1970 on May 11, 2025, 12:56:14 PM
Always remember --

Sr. Mary Pantsuit and Susan from the Parish Council were from the Silent Generation. They were all-in with support for Vatican II because it was "new", "relevant", and "open". It was an opportunity to break free from their grandparents' (The Lost Generation) "stagnant" and "repressive" religion left over from the 19th century. The Silent Generation could be "Adult Catholics" with Vatican II, whatever that may mean.

Boomers experienced things differently. They were children or adolescents during Vatican II, at most very young adults amongst the oldest. They know very little of whst came before the Council, emotions and vague visual impression at best, filtered through the pro-Vatican II propaganda of the WW2 Generation (Vatican II was their baby!) and the Silent Generation.

Prevost is a Boomer. He lacks the cynicism and non-joiner nature of Gen X (😊👍) as well as lacks the progressive optimism and egalitarianism of Millennials. No, he is a Boomer.

This will be a very interesting and unsettling period.

(https://i.imgur.com/306sLyn.jpeg)
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Simeon on May 11, 2025, 01:13:43 PM
Something that everyone is missing --

Prevost graduated high school in the early 1970s. His ENTIRE ersatz priestly formation took place in the 1970s.

This man claiming the Chair of Peter is THE FIRST CONCILIAR POPE TO HAVE BEEN FORMED ENTIRELY IN THE POST-CONCILIAR SYSTEM!

HE IS A FRUIT, NOT A CAUSE, OF VATICAN II.

He is from a different generation than those to which Bergoglio, Ratzinger, Wojtyła, and Montini belonged. Prevost is a Baby Boomer -- an American Baby Boomer!

I wonder what, if any ties Prevost has to McCarrick. Was Prevost formed in a lavender seminary? We know that Cupich and McCarrick are connected. 

- St. Augustine Seminary High School in Holland, MI

From a FB page called "Remembering Holland Michigan:"

https://www.facebook.com/RememberingHollandMichigan/posts/pope-leo-xiv-formerly-robert-francis-prevost-attended-st-augustine-seminary-high/1090274179794142/

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Pope Leo XIV, formerly Robert Francis Prevost, attended St. Augustine Seminary High School in Holland, Michigan, during his high school years. This seminary, now known as the Felt Estate, was a boarding school operated by priests of the Order of St. Augustine.

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"According to a release from Laketown Township, Prevost graduated from the school in 1973."

See: https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/nation-world/2025/05/08/pope-leo-xiv-graduated-from-former-seminary-at-felt-estate/83526950007/

From the same article: "Prevost was born in Chicago in 1955. He graduated from the seminary in 1973, according to a release from Laketown Township. The school closed in 1977. He became an Augustinian novitiate in 1977 and made his "solemn profession" in 1981, the Chicago Province said in a release.

"Following ordination in 1982, he went on to earn advanced degrees in canon law in Rome and spent the decades serving as a missionary in Peru, as an educator and formator, as prior provincial, and later as prior general of the Augustinian Order for two terms."

If you follow the ordination link, it takes you to this page: https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/pope-leo-xiv

This article tells you nothing about where he went to seminary. 

If he graduated high school in 1973, and was ordained in 1982, where was he during the intervening nine years? They are happy to provide us with biographical information post-1982, but there's a big fat hole during the 9-year blackout. 

Here's the wiki page: "Born in Chicago, Illinois, United States, and raised in a town nearby, Prevost became a friar of the Order of Saint Augustine in 1977 and was ordained a priest in 1982. His service has included extensive missionary work in Peru from 1985 to 1986 and from 1988 to 1998, where he variously served as a parish pastor, diocesan official, seminary teacher, and administrator."

He became a novice in 1977. Exactly where did he enter? What diocese? city? Who was the prior then? Who the bishop? Where was he from 1973 to 1977? How and where was he trained for the priesthood? What corrupt prelates associated themselves to him? Just how lavender was that missing nine years? How lavender was his Augustinian order? Many questions that need answering. 

Calling Randy Engel!

Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Simeon on May 11, 2025, 01:34:14 PM
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PREVOST: "In this regard, I would like us to renew together today our complete commitment to the path that the universal church has now followed for decades in the wake of the Second Vatican Council."

Ratzinger did the exact same thing out of the gate. It's the equivalent of a candidate for office putting on a yarmulke and bobbing in front of the wailing wall - not in any way shape or form a wall of the actual Temple which was completely destroyed in AD 70 by Titus.


Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Persto on May 11, 2025, 02:36:39 PM
I wonder what, if any ties Prevost has to McCarrick. Was Prevost formed in a lavender seminary? We know that Cupich and McCarrick are connected.

- St. Augustine Seminary High School in Holland, MI

From a FB page called "Remembering Holland Michigan:"

https://www.facebook.com/RememberingHollandMichigan/posts/pope-leo-xiv-formerly-robert-francis-prevost-attended-st-augustine-seminary-high/1090274179794142/

(https://i.imgur.com/WkqK4iu.png)

"According to a release from Laketown Township, Prevost graduated from the school in 1973."

See: https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/nation-world/2025/05/08/pope-leo-xiv-graduated-from-former-seminary-at-felt-estate/83526950007/

From the same article: "Prevost was born in Chicago in 1955. He graduated from the seminary in 1973, according to a release from Laketown Township. The school closed in 1977. He became an Augustinian novitiate in 1977 and made his "solemn profession" in 1981, the Chicago Province said in a release.

"Following ordination in 1982, he went on to earn advanced degrees in canon law in Rome and spent the decades serving as a missionary in Peru, as an educator and formator, as prior provincial, and later as prior general of the Augustinian Order for two terms."

If you follow the ordination link, it takes you to this page: https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/pope-leo-xiv

This article tells you nothing about where he went to seminary.

If he graduated high school in 1973, and was ordained in 1982, where was he during the intervening nine years? They are happy to provide us with biographical information post-1982, but there's a big fat hole during the 9-year blackout.

Here's the wiki page: "Born in Chicago, Illinois, United States, and raised in a town nearby, Prevost became a friar of the Order of Saint Augustine in 1977 and was ordained a priest in 1982. His service has included extensive missionary work in Peru from 1985 to 1986 and from 1988 to 1998, where he variously served as a parish pastor, diocesan official, seminary teacher, and administrator."

He became a novice in 1977. Exactly where did he enter? What diocese? city? Who was the prior then? Who the bishop? Where was he from 1973 to 1977? How and where was he trained for the priesthood? What corrupt prelates associated themselves to him? Just how lavender was that missing nine years? How lavender was his Augustinian order? Many questions that need answering.

Calling Randy Engel!
Very good questions- sometimes it is what is missing that is most revealing. 
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Persto on May 11, 2025, 02:39:54 PM
What kind of satanic "pectoral cross" is that? Where is the corpus? Why is it not even a cross, more of a plus sign?
Thank you for pointing that out!  Details matter.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Persto on May 11, 2025, 02:40:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2HFvuaAoxc&t=467s
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Simeon on May 11, 2025, 02:51:29 PM
Very good questions- sometimes it is what is missing that is most revealing.

Yup. The bio is totally scripted. More and more the Chicago connection seems like a reason to obscure his formative years. 
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Miseremini on May 11, 2025, 03:02:29 PM
What kind of satanic "pectoral cross" is that? Where is the corpus? Why is it not even a cross, more of a plus sign?
If you look closely you'll see the cord is twisted once.  What you are seeing is the back of the crucifix.
Also it is not lying flat, the bottom is sticking out from the body making it look distorted.


(https://i.imgur.com/Be4sSiH.png)
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: PositaSecuris on May 11, 2025, 03:59:10 PM
Cardinal Cody was Archbishop of Chicago from 1965 until his death in 1982, when John Paul II appointed Bernardin to that see, making him cardinal the following year.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Ladislaus on May 11, 2025, 04:32:23 PM
Cardinal Cody was Archbishop of Chicago from 1965 until his death in 1982, when John Paul II appointed Bernardin to that see, making him cardinal the following year.

Hmm.  Intresting connection.  Prevost was ordained in 1982, the same year Bernardin went to Chicago ... though Prevost was apparently in Rome.

Reason that's interesting is because Benardin is probably one of the most wicked men every to have infiltrated the Church, not only a sodomite predating upon young men in seminaries, but doing so in the context of Satanic ritual.  This had been divulged by some of his victims, who then later went silent.

If you recall the one scene from Malachi Martin's Windswept House, during the enthronement of Satan ritual, there was a parallel ritual taking place in the US, in South Carolina.  Who was the #2 man in the Diocese of Charleston (which covered nearly the entire state of SC)?  Of course it was Joe Bernardin.  I believe that the bishop he served under had also been implicated in the Satanic predation upon young men.  I'll try to find the video of those you men who had blown the whistle.

So Bernardin may have kicked off this era, and it's strange that we come full circle to Chicago now with Prevost, who was "ordained" the same year that Bernardin went to Chicago.

As per my chronology, I put the end of the line for the enemy infiltrators somehwere roughly in 2029.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Ladislaus on May 11, 2025, 04:46:32 PM
So, looking at more connections, a Fr. Hallinan from Cleveland was consecrated Bishop of Charleston (youngest Bishop in the country at 48 years of age), where Benardine was at ... on October 28, 1958.  Does that date ring a bell?  It was the exact date Roncalli was rolled out (almost literally) as having been (s)elected John XXIII.

Strangely Hallinan also died very young after contracting hepatitis in Rome while he was there for Vatican II.  Things that make you go hmmmm.

https://www.bishop-accountability.org/news2006/07_08/2006_08_18_Abbott_RememberingJoseph.htm
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Ladislaus on May 11, 2025, 04:55:10 PM
More on Hallian ... clearly one of the insider infiltrators ...
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Between 1962 and 1965, Hallinan attended all four sessions of the Second Vatican Council. Appointed to the council's Commission on the Sacred Liturgy, he became a prominent advocate for the use of the vernacular in the mass. He described Sacrosanctum Concilium, the council's constitution on the liturgy, as "a vote against old ideas...[it] paves the way for everything else." In one of his last talks, he said, "Through the Sacred Constitution on the Liturgy, we are now emerging from a period of fixity and rigidity which was unnatural in the Church's life."

Hallinan He befriended such progressive minds as the theologian Reverend Hans Küng and Cardinal Leo Joseph Suenens. In July 1964, Hallinan published a pamphlet, "How to Understand Changes in the Liturgy," that was distributed throughout the United States and abroad. He later served as chairman of the U.S. Bishops' Committee on the Liturgy and as member of the International Commission on English in the Liturgy.
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Hallinan sat on the board of trustees of the Catholic University of America, and opposed the removal of liberal theologian Charles Curran from the university.

One of the first to denounce "rigidity".
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Ladislaus on May 11, 2025, 05:26:38 PM
Is the facade dropping?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GqsjFdPXAAA8gTw?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Dolores on May 11, 2025, 06:53:15 PM
What kind of satanic "pectoral cross" is that? Where is the corpus? Why is it not even a cross, more of a plus sign?
I believe, generally speaking, pectoral crosses did not have a corpus on them.  Examples from traditional popes are below.


(https://i.imgur.com/ogh8pMK.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hLIj6Is.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/70fArUG.jpeg)
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Michelle on May 11, 2025, 11:18:20 PM
https://youtu.be/Rris7tRVOCA?si=GsFFIzYC0ne-BoZL
Interesting analysis of Leo XlV from a non Catholic 
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Simeon on May 12, 2025, 12:34:15 AM
Cardinal Cody was Archbishop of Chicago from 1965 until his death in 1982, when John Paul II appointed Bernardin to that see, making him cardinal the following year.

Thank you. I've never heard of Cardinal Cody. 
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Simeon on May 12, 2025, 01:29:48 AM

Bro Bug commented on a Charlie Rose video entitled "Pope Leo XIV: The Journey From Chicago to Rome."

Now Bug is notoriously crazy, but he isn't always wrong. 

I cannot vet his statements, but he is trying to establish several nefarious connections between Prevost, the lavender mafia, the Chicago novus ordo mafia, and the US deep state mafia. 

The most significant and incontestible fact is Prevost's rising out of nowhere to fill a key assignment at Rome, in the last two years of bergoglio's life. This was a preplanned positioning maneuver. It is reasonable to conjecture then that  he was chosen to play pope in advance. 

Likely it is also that he's blackmailed to the teeth, and hence the gaps in his bio. 

Thus, for what it's worth, Bro Bug:


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Editor's note:  The title chosen for the video is a lot more significant than people realize. The Vatican was targeted for take over by the Skull and Bones Lodge during the Second World War. They infiltrated first the Order of Malta, using their chapter at Washington, D. C., but afterwards they moved assets from Chicago to Rome, such as the infamous Vatican Bank Scandal. Archbishop Paul Marcinkus, who was so entrenched in the Vatican by Paul VI, that even after he retired, while being wanted by police in various nations, the U.S. Government protected and hid him in Arizona and the Vatican would not withdraw his Diplomatic Immunity. This same Archbishop was intimately involved in the disappearance of Emanuela Orlandi, according to many sources. So that Robert Provost went from Chicago to Rome is NOT a coincidence, if you have been paying attention.

I will let A.J. comment below with all the videos he has published about the Chicago Mafia and the Vatican.

"It is also highly likely that Cardinal Prevost knew of Archbishop Marcinkus, because they were both from South Side Chicago, and Prevost’s brother said that growing up, many priests would visit their home to eat the food for which he mother was famous for cooking."

[THIS IS A STRETCH! Simeon]

"Also, Prevost was ordained a priest by Archbishop Jean Jadot, who was the principal consecrator of Bishop Weakland of Milwaukee, who was sued by his gαy lover for abuse, forcing his Archdiocese to pay $450,000 for the date-rape claim."

"So there is no doubt that Prevost was deeply involved in the Chicago networks."

[I WOULDN'T SAY NO DOUBT, BUT RATHER THIS SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED. Simeon]

"Weakland was named a Bishop by Pope Paul VI in 1977, at the height of Marcinkus’ influence at the Papal Court.

"Whereas Bishop Marcinkus himself ordained Cardinal Nichols of Westminster, United Kingdom, a priest, one of the principal Mafia of St. Gallen members." — Connect the dots.

Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Simeon on May 12, 2025, 01:32:46 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Marcinkus
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Simeon on May 12, 2025, 01:39:37 AM

Once more, I'm posting the Bug's comments as simple food for thought. 

He's on a rampage against Prevost, which means he may be doing a bit of investigating, going forward. I'm interested in what he finds, especially as Trad Inc. will cover for Prevost, going forward.

https://www.fromrome.info/2025/05/12/cardinal-prevost-i-will-implement-vatican-ii-as-interpreted-by-pope-francis/
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Simeon on May 12, 2025, 01:48:57 AM
https://youtu.be/lTC1UKl5_YQ?si=r9aeWug00LTe8ScQ
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Ladislaus on May 12, 2025, 08:40:19 AM
Listening to some interview by Jesuit editor of America magazine saying that Bergoglio and Prevost "shared a brain" (thought exactly alike) and that Prevost won Bergoglio's confidence by his appointments of bishops ... which even Strickland is finding more troubling.

What I find interesting is that Strickland, not exactly a Trad, seems far more pessimistic about Prevost than most Trads, saying he's troubled by the bishops this guy picked.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: SimpleMan on May 12, 2025, 09:23:45 AM
Thank you. I've never heard of Cardinal Cody.

Huh?

You must be a young guy.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: SimpleMan on May 12, 2025, 09:28:25 AM
https://youtu.be/Rris7tRVOCA?si=GsFFIzYC0ne-BoZL
Interesting analysis of Leo XlV from a non Catholic

A transcript would be nice.

A 17-minute video is kind of long.   Maybe I'm just getting cranky in my old age, but I really don't have time to sit down and try to listen to him get to the point (or points).

Same with all these "how-to" videos, I just want to know how the damn thing works.  For that, I can read a user manual.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Simeon on May 12, 2025, 09:36:24 AM
Huh?

You must be a young guy.

:laugh1::laugh1::laugh1:  Actually I'm an old lady!!!!!!! Must've missed him!
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Simeon on May 12, 2025, 09:45:36 AM
A transcript would be nice.

A 17-minute video is kind of long.  Maybe I'm just getting cranky in my old age, but I really don't have time to sit down and try to listen to him get to the point (or points).

Same with all these "how-to" videos, I just want to know how the damn thing works.  For that, I can read a user manual.

Now - though, like you, I detest any how to video that doesn't immediately get to the "how to" - I'm exactly the opposite when it comes to figuring out what's going on in church and state. I've been trained in the art of investigation, and I find that it is precisely by sifting through 99% nonsense that one discovers the 1% gold. 

In that spirit, then, and in no other, I now proffer another Bro Bug "masterpiece." This "masterpiece" addresses Lad's current thinking, namely exposing the "grifter collective," as Bug and his roly-poly sidekick have termed it.   

I'm cleaning out a bedroom right now, and so my mind is poised to sift as I hear nonsense and suck up dust bunnies. I am certain I will hear, at the very least, food for thought. 

I would caution anyone tuning in to have a chore that they can do while listening. Therefore their time will not be wasted. Also their mind will be relaxed, so that when the gold comes, if it comes, they will recognize it right away. 

https://www.fromrome.info/2025/05/12/the-reactions-to-the-conclave-have-unmasked-the-grifter-collective/

Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Ladislaus on May 12, 2025, 09:46:01 AM
Once more, I'm posting the Bug's comments as simple food for thought.

He's on a rampage against Prevost, which means he may be doing a bit of investigating, going forward. I'm interested in what he finds, especially as Trad Inc. will cover for Prevost, going forward.

https://www.fromrome.info/2025/05/12/cardinal-prevost-i-will-implement-vatican-ii-as-interpreted-by-pope-francis/

Well, I'm glad not everyone has been fooled by Prevost.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: SimpleMan on May 12, 2025, 09:50:49 AM
:laugh1::laugh1::laugh1:  Actually I'm an old lady!!!!!!! Must've missed him!

I didn't mean to be dismissive, sorry.  I just thought everyone had heard of Cardinal Cody.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Simeon on May 12, 2025, 09:53:32 AM
I didn't mean to be dismissive, sorry.  I just thought everyone had heard of Cardinal Cody.

Not at all, dear chap. :)
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Ladislaus on May 12, 2025, 09:57:37 AM
I didn't mean to be dismissive, sorry.  I just thought everyone had heard of Cardinal Cody.

I did only because I went to school in Chicago (Loyola U), so we heard all about the Daley (crime) family, Bernardin, and his predecessor Cody.  I wasn't sure what to make of Cody.  There was an old priest in Chicago there, a Father (sp?) Cepon ... who had been friends with Cardinal Cody, and Cardinal Cody gave him perpetual permission to keep offering the Tridentine Mass.  Bernardin hated it, but Cody had formalized the agreement to be in force so long as Father remained active there.  At some point Bernardin force-retired him at the age limit.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Simeon on May 12, 2025, 10:14:02 PM
Louie Verrecchio hitting the nail on the head:

https://akacatholic.com/leo-xiv-international-man-of-mystery/
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: OABrownson1876 on May 13, 2025, 12:21:01 AM
When I was at St. Thomas Aquinas in 1994 we had a Novus Ordo priest at the seminary who saw the light and was doing some training at the seminary, Fr. Brian ...cannot remember the last name.  He was ordained by Cardinal Cody, but Cody, while being a valid bishop, used the new rite.  Several of us told Bp. Williamson, "He might not be a valid priest, he was ordained with the new rite."  Eventually Bp. Williamson convinced Fr. B. to get conditional ordination, and Bp. Williamson did it.  But it took a lot of convincing this priest because he was convinced of his priesthood.  What a mess - a valid bishop using the new rite. 
Title: New 'Pope' on the jews
Post by: AnthonyPadua on May 13, 2025, 02:46:11 AM
“TRUSTING IN THE ASSISTANCE OF THE ALMIGHTY, I PLEDGE TO CONTINUE AND STRENGTHEN THE CHURCH'S DIALOGUE AND COOPERATION WITH THE Jєωιѕн PEOPLE IN THE SPIRIT OF THE SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL'S DECLARATION NOSTRA AETATE

-Leo XIV
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Predestination2 on May 13, 2025, 03:56:37 AM
Ok. Prevost is the seventh head. He’s gonna bring all the semi trads and r&r into his sect and then he’s gonna die, I beleive in a few years, his sucessor will be the false prophet



That’s my prediction. 
Title: Re: New 'Pope' on the jews
Post by: VerdenFell on May 13, 2025, 06:20:36 AM
“TRUSTING IN THE ASSISTANCE OF THE ALMIGHTY, I PLEDGE TO CONTINUE AND STRENGTHEN THE CHURCH'S DIALOGUE AND COOPERATION WITH THE Jєωιѕн PEOPLE IN THE SPIRIT OF THE SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL'S DECLARATION NOSTRA AETATE

-Leo XIV
What does this statement even mean? How can he cooperate and dialogue with the Jєωιѕн people unless they are of one mind and one purpose? Obviously he isn't able to do these things with each and every jew on the planet. There are secular jews, orthodox jews, non Zionist jews, and a thousand other flavors. Who speaks for them collectively?
What constitutes a jew? Someone who is half Jєωιѕн by blood, a fourth, a third
This only makes sense if one believes the stereotype that jews have an identity that transcends all internal divisions and differences...and that this identity has a common denominator, namely that they reject Christ and see themselves
as the masters of this world.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: 2Vermont on May 13, 2025, 06:23:28 AM
Ok. Prevost is the seventh head. He’s gonna bring all the semi trads and r&r into his sect and then he’s gonna die, I beleive in a few years, his sucessor will be the false prophet

That’s my prediction.
My initial reaction was he was the Seventh Head of the Beast as well. I'm not sure what that will mean wrt your other comments, but he is the 7th false pope.
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on May 13, 2025, 07:08:54 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/nZDbPMT.jpeg)
Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Persto on May 13, 2025, 12:19:35 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/nZDbPMT.jpeg)
https://www.barnhardt.biz/2021/02/18/more-photo-evidence-on-the-satanist-cardinal-bernardin-his-creepy-pectoral-cross-that-antipope-bergoglio-also-wears-and-the-satanic-grand-orient/
More Photo Evidence on the Satanist Cardinal Bernardin, His Creepy Pectoral Cross That Antipope Bergoglio Also Wears, and the Satanic Grand Orient

Original post here. (https://www.barnhardt.biz/2021/02/10/remember-antipope-bergoglios-creepy-pectoral-cross-well-its-exactly-the-same-cross-worn-by-the-satanist-pedophile-rapist-cardinal-joseph-bernardin/)
(https://www.barnhardt.biz/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/img_3729-1.jpg)
Now, add:
https://oto-uk.org (https://oto-uk.org/)
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(https://www.barnhardt.biz/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/img_2346.jpg)


Title: Re: New Pope already preaching nonsense
Post by: Ladislaus on May 13, 2025, 12:21:44 PM
Louie Verrecchio hitting the nail on the head:

https://akacatholic.com/leo-xiv-international-man-of-mystery/

So they actually did the same thing when they put Zelensky into office.  Since he had no prior baggge, nobody could call him on whether or not he was lying during the campaign regarding some of his positions and promises.  Few people knew that he ran on a pro-Russia (or at least get along with Russia) platform, but then within days of getting into office initiated the bombing of Russia speakers in Eastern Ukraine.  But people didn't know whether he was lying because he had no history ... other than of lame and bawdy nonsense that he passed off as comedy.

That may be why they selected this guy.  If he shows a Traditional side to him, well, it's hard for people to know if it's fake or genuine.  Now, had Bergoglio come in and somehow acted Traditional, you'd know he was completely full of it, since he had a long history of being a Leftist with no use for Tradition.

Ratzinger, on the other hand, while he had the Modernist / heretical background, they enlisted Wojtyla's PR machine to transform him into "God's Rotweiler" after JP2 appointed him to the Office formerly known as Holy.  So by the time he was elected, everyone was convinced that he had become a conservative / Traditionalist somehow.

He came out of absolutely nowhere and became one of the most powerful men in the Vatican.  Why?

My guess is that they already knew where they planned to go next after Bergoglio.  "Hmm, we want to fool a lot of people that he leans Trad and finish reabsorbing SSPX.  We need someone who's not a Trad but we can pass off as being a Trad, mostly because he has no history or background.  Hmmm.  Prevost has said almost nothing ever about theology but just re-tweets stuff against Trump and Vance, and the little he does say no one can decipher since it's just nonsensical word salad.  He's the guy."