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New Mass and Vatican II Condemned by Third Secret of Fatima
« on: December 23, 2010, 11:01:12 AM »
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  • http://drpchojnowski.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-mass-and-vatican-ii-condemned-by.html

    New Mass and Vatican II Condemned by Third Secret of Fatima

    The Secret Warned Against Vatican Council II and the New Mass

    An Exclusive Fatima Crusader Interview with Father Paul Kramer”

    From the Fatima Crusader Issue 92 May 2009

    “The Secret Warned Against Vatican Council II and the New Mass : An Exclusive Fatima Crusader Interview with Father Paul Kramer”

    “...Question: Do you see a connection between the Third Secret of Fatima and the introduction of the New Mass?”

    “[Fr. Kramer] Sister Lucy of Fatima, said that there would take place a diabolical disorientation in the Church. And there is nothing that could do more to bring that about than a liturgical revolution that would enshrine alien principles into a seemingly Catholic liturgy. As a matter of fact, there is more substance to the question of a diabolical disorientation. I am referring to the part of the Third Secret of Fatima that has not yet been revealed. I know this to be a fact because I have personally spoken with a German theologian and a seminary Rector who is a longtime close fiend of Pope Benedict.

    When Pope Benedict was still Cardinal Ratzinger, around 1990 he revealed to his friend that in the Third Secret of Fatima Our Lady warns not to change the liturgy: literally, not to mix extraneous foreign elements into the Catholic liturgy. Now, of course, with the new Mass of Pope Paul VI, that is exactly what was done. Elements of Protestantism, both in symbolism and in the wording of the liturgy, were brought into and mixed into a Catholic framework to the extent that the makers of the new Rite flatly stated that this is no longer the Roman Rite, it is a new creation.”

    “…Our Lady also warned that there would be an evil Council in the Church that would cause great scandal. And of course, it was the docuмents of Vatican II-the Constitution on the Liturgy-which gave the impetus for Pope Paul VI to reform the liturgy in such a disastrous manner that caused such a loss of faith and confusion in the Church.”

    “…Now after this took place, the German theologian who I am referring to went back to the country in South America where he was Rector of a seminary and he explained to a young priest what Cardinal Ratzinger had related to him. And precisely when he related that Our Lady warned against changing the Mass and there would be an evil Council in the Church, the both of them saw a plume of smoke coming up from the floor. Now it was a marble floor. This could not be anything of a natural phenomenon. Both the young priest and the old German Rector were so impressed they drew up a dossier and sent it to Cardinal Ratzinger.”

    “…The elderly German priest, Ratzinger’s long-time personal friend, took note of the fact that when this vision of the Third Secret was published it did not contain those things, those elements of the Third Secret that Cardinal Ratzinger had revealed to him nearly ten years earlier. The German priest -Father Dollinger- told me that this question was burning in his mind on the day he concelebrated with Cardinal Ratzinger. Father Dollinger said to me, “I confronted Cardinal Ratzinger to his face” And of course he asked Cardinal Ratzinger, “how can this be the entire Third Secret? Remember what you told me before?”

    Cardinal Ratzinger was cornered. He didn’t know what to say so he blurted out to his friend in German, “Wirklich gebt das der etwas” which means “really there is something more there,” meaning there is something more in the Third Secret. The Cardinal stated this quite plainly.”

    “Question: This is an amazing story. Is Father Dollinger a credible witness?

    [Father Kramer] I can say this much: We’re talking about an elderly priest, a long-time personal friend of Pope Benedict, a man who was a long-time personal acquaintance of St. Pio of Piertrelcina [Padre Pio]. In fact, he told me he had gone to confession to Padre Pio 58 times. This is a man who for many years was the Rector of a seminary in South America; a man who is highly esteemed, who is of great reputation in the Church.

    I would also point out that in the diocese where he worked what I have said about the Third Secret, what Cardinal Ratzinger revealed to him, was common knowledge among the young priests who were seminarians and deacons at the time this man was Rector. They all know the story that Cardinal Ratzinger had told him.”

    “As I have mentioned, they had even put together a dossier and sent it to Cardinal Ratzinger. So he is a man of great credibility, worthy of credence; a man of great seriousness who is not given over to making up fabulous stories, or exaggerating self-importance. The man had no need of such things; he’s a man of utmost credibility.”


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    New Mass and Vatican II Condemned by Third Secret of Fatima
    « Reply #1 on: December 23, 2010, 11:02:19 AM »
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  • I like Peter, he always has good things to write/say!
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    « Reply #2 on: December 23, 2010, 11:08:20 AM »
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  • The obvious question remains, how could he then continue to accept the new Mass, the Council and teach his seminarians to do the same?

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    « Reply #3 on: December 23, 2010, 11:12:51 AM »
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  • Good question, Caminus.

    My best guess is that Ratzinger is misreading the message. He sees the "foreign elements" in the liturgy, not as the NO itself, but the more liberal innovations made to the NO in the years after the Council. He is on record condemning these novelties and innovations.

    As for VCII, he most likely, again, sees the problem as the misapplication and misunderstanding of the Council.

    His Modernist mind cannot comprehend that the Mass and Council are bad in and of themselves. They MUST be good. So he then interprets the message with this faulty assumption in mind and misses the point entirely.

    My thoughts anyway...

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    « Reply #4 on: December 23, 2010, 11:27:06 AM »
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  • I mean the Rector.  


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    « Reply #5 on: December 23, 2010, 12:08:27 PM »
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    Cardinal Ratzinger was cornered. He didn’t know what to say so he blurted out to his friend in German, “Wirklich gebt das der etwas” which means “really there is something more there,” meaning there is something more in the Third Secret. The Cardinal stated this quite plainly.”


    Thanks, Stevus, for posting this.  I had already read the article in FT, but it's good that a wider audience should view it, as well.  Bottom line:  Ratzinger has known for years that there was more to the 3rd Secret.  Yet he played along with Bertone and the others, feigning, along with them, that the whole matter had been revealed.  Since the publication of Antonio Socci's book The Fourth Secret it is no longer possible to conceal the fact of a second part of the 3rd Secret.  That makes the Pope a ________, in my mind anyway.

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    « Reply #6 on: December 23, 2010, 02:22:25 PM »
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  • What's interesting is that Benedict has come out and said that the so-called Third Secret released by the Vatican in 2000 is a phony, but he doesn't have the courage to release the REAL Third Secret!
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 23, 2010, 03:31:06 PM »
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    Benedict has come out and said that the so-called Third Secret released by the Vatican in 2000 is a phony,


    Really? I did not see that press release.  Please give us a link.


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    New Mass and Vatican II Condemned by Third Secret of Fatima
    « Reply #8 on: December 23, 2010, 04:22:25 PM »
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  • What about the story that the Third Secret was actually
    stolen from the papal apartment in the late 1960's.
    The vatican may no longer have the true Third Secret.
    It either has been destroyed, or awaiting to be
    recovered from stolen booty.
    I pray that this secret that should have been revealed
    in 1960 should not end up being auctioned off to the highest
    bidder.

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    « Reply #9 on: December 23, 2010, 08:40:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
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    Benedict has come out and said that the so-called Third Secret released by the Vatican in 2000 is a phony,


    Really? I did not see that press release.  Please give us a link.


    As soon as I can find a link I'll post it.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 28, 2010, 08:03:36 AM »
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    « Reply #11 on: December 28, 2010, 09:30:24 AM »
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  • Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
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    Benedict has come out and said that the so-called Third Secret released by the Vatican in 2000 is a phony,


    Really? I did not see that press release.  Please give us a link.


    As soon as I can find a link I'll post it.


    I would like to see that too.

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    « Reply #12 on: December 28, 2010, 11:19:25 PM »
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  • He never said it was a phony.

    I think something he said hinted that there was more to it than what was given in 2000.

    He implied part of the secret was "spoken" and that it could apply to several Popes not just one Pope (JPII) and said that the problems can come from inside the Church and not just outside.

    Here is an article on it..

    http://www.cfnews.org/b16-3rd-sec.htm



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    « Reply #13 on: December 29, 2010, 01:40:50 PM »
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  • Quote from: stevusmagnus
    He never said it was a phony.

    I think something he said hinted that there was more to it than what was given in 2000.

    He implied part of the secret was "spoken" and that it could apply to several Popes not just one Pope (JPII) and said that the problems can come from inside the Church and not just outside.

    Here is an article on it..

    http://www.cfnews.org/b16-3rd-sec.htm




    Thanks for the link. And regardless of whether he said it was a phony or not he knows it was, the whole Vatican knows. Something else interesting is that Cardinal Bertoni (who is a likely freemason) went around telling people that the secret released by the Vatican in 2000 was real. Lately though he hasn't said anything on the subject. Makes you wonder if Benedict told him to keep his mouth shut on the subject.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #14 on: December 30, 2010, 10:54:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    What about the story that the Third Secret was actually
    stolen from the papal apartment in the late 1960's.
    The vatican may no longer have the true Third Secret.
    It either has been destroyed, or awaiting to be
    recovered from stolen booty.
    I pray that this secret that should have been revealed
    in 1960 should not end up being auctioned off to the highest
    bidder.


    Do you have a source for this?  I've never heard this.