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Offline Incredulous

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« on: July 09, 2013, 08:18:01 AM »
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  • The Novus Ordo Statue of St. Michael (Top)
     Recently Blessed by Pope Francis-Berg-oglio and Pope emeritus, Benedict-Ratzinger  For the Vatican Gardens, Where Ratzinger Now Resides

     The Traditional Statue of St. Michael (Below)
    Showing the Archangel in the Clothing of a Roman Soldier

     

    After the Description of St. Paul in His Epistles
    Our Reader Calls new-Vatican's Official Statue "gαy/Paedophile"
     
    We Leave It to Our Readers to Reach Their Own Conclusion


    Reported by Traditio
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    « Reply #1 on: July 09, 2013, 08:26:14 AM »
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  • The top one is pretty queer looking.

    But on the other hand, I always thought most (traditional) images of St Michael were unnecessarily effeminate.  

    Do you picture a clean-shaven 12 yr old St Michael daintily holding a sword and a scale when you pray

    "And do, thou, oh Prince of the Heavenly Host, cast into Hell, Satan and all the Evil Spirits who prowl through the world..."

    ??

    Maybe it's just me.  I've never seen a likeness of St Michael that I thought did him justice.  Thou the traditional renderings aren't anywhere near as queer as that statue, which is disgusting.  I'm glad the picture isn't that clear.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    New image of St. Michael
    « Reply #2 on: July 09, 2013, 08:38:46 AM »
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  • Mithrandylan said:

    "The top one is pretty queer looking. "


    Think about it... a queer angel running lose in the papal Gardens ?


    Oh, St. Michael, please avenge this sacrilege.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    New image of St. Michael
    « Reply #3 on: July 09, 2013, 08:47:32 AM »
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  • Saint Michael the Archangel Pray For Us.

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    « Reply #4 on: July 09, 2013, 09:13:07 AM »
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  • I have the same problem. He's been my patron since I was conceived but I have always hated the pictures that make him look like a women. It's this misguided notion that angels are somehow sexless and neuter like. This feeds into the idea of being able to choose your own sex or following whichever gender you choose.

    My avatar is a good masculine one.

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    « Reply #5 on: July 09, 2013, 11:24:35 AM »
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  • Looking like a young teenager, but with a holy countenance and representing the traditional imagery of the Catholic Faith is perfectly ok.

    The new statue is homoeroticism and was designed in such a manner.  It qualifies as blasphemy because it sɛҳuąƖizes a sacred image.  

    What kind of team of deviants contracted with a artist to design and build this?  

    Satan mocks God by imitating him but in a way that is off.  This isn't a passing photo, it probably cost thousands, or even tens of thousands to commission and have installed.  It's sickening.  

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    « Reply #6 on: July 09, 2013, 11:55:56 AM »
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    Holy Mother of God, I thought that was an under-dressed woman (the female thighs drew my attention first, but then the muscular chest and arms... ITA with "homoerotic", or some transɛҳuąƖ fantasy of getting rid of "gender").

    I know they've made St. Michael look more like a teen often, which I was fine with because it's said that people with childlike innocence will be the ones to make it to Heaven. But this is a full-grown ...sacrilege.

    Hope God aims Wormwood right at it. (Or maybe it is Wormwood. IDEK.) How could BXVI-E commission this? Maybe some tranny Cards signed for it, and put it in the gardens so BXVI would have to look at it, since he cracked down on gαy seminarians. —I'll pray BXVI kicks it down.

    EWW! Would even Satanists go that far? (No really: Satanists came out as anti-abortion -- I don't want to say "pro-life", though they "self-identify" that way.) This world is upside-down crazy. Toast.
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    « Reply #7 on: July 09, 2013, 12:22:59 PM »
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  • This is a stained glass window at Mt. St. Michael in Spokane.


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    « Reply #8 on: July 09, 2013, 08:47:24 PM »
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    I've never seen a likeness of St Michael that I thought did him justice.  



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    « Reply #9 on: July 09, 2013, 08:47:25 PM »
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  • There are masculine statues of St. Michael out there - they're just very hard to find.  The Novus Ordo church has effeminated St. Michael to beyond the ridiculous.

    Believe it or not, there are some protestant groups that actually venerate St. Michael (although they do not pray to him) and have very good quality, masculine (warrior) images/statues of St. Michael defeating Satan.  


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    « Reply #10 on: July 09, 2013, 09:02:58 PM »
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  • It's truly horrifying how much diabolical 'religious' art is out there.

    One reason it's considered a good thing nowadays is because when folks tack on the 'religious' to it they think that excuses everything. It must be OK because it's 'religious'. As if in fact that meant the normal rules of virtue and vice did not apply -- not that anyone in general knows these at all.

    But as if being "religious" were what excused all, so one would set aside one's judgement. Make a horrible sculpture of a secular subject well, you might admit it's horrible. But then you make it of a religious subject, and so it must be OK. Rather than in fact, it being even more an evil, to craft something immodest, unedifying, lacking in virtue, blasphemous, sacrilegious and put it in a religious context.

    The whole point of religious art is to inspire virtue not be edify in the opposite way. And yet so many artists are trained in the sensual school, lacking all virtue, and then are asked to paint, sculpt, craft some religious subject. And what do you expect such people to do with the images of the saints when they get their dirty hands to work?

    Even if held to the strictest standards, what will they not devilishly like to slip in? To push to the border, to try to get excused because of the overall subject.

    So then they do their evil, with all their sensualist training, rather than crafting it with an eye towards virtue and inspiration. And perhaps they have some great skill in sensualist "craft". So it gets put in a museum, a cathedral, a chapel, a shrine, perhaps even in the Vatican museum, or a fresco, or this or that.

    And then it sits there for a few hundred years because modesty is rare and no one is willing to get rid of it. All the while doing evil, and perhaps some purer souls are inspired by it too and ignore the evil -- though they are nevertheless disedified to regard depicted vice as fine because it is displayed in that context.

    And then the worldly "art" historians all celebrate these people as if in fact they were good artists and had produced good works, and how priceless they all are as art (because they are old, and by these skilled in sensuality artists that please the worldly). How they would cry out if these works were, as they should be, covered up, or better destroyed!

    But if you look at for example icons, it is not about the sensuality, it is about virtue and hidden meanings, giving the viewer something to meditate on, something to draw towards Heaven, not towards the earth.  

    The whole history of conflict over icons has some moral lessons in it.
    Sincerely,

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    « Reply #11 on: July 15, 2013, 04:32:39 PM »
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  • There's an article on Non Possumus about the statue really portraying the devil on top of St. Michael, implying that the gates of hell have prevailed against the Church.

    If that's the true meaning of this statue, then I have to think that Francis and Benedict may be luciferians (Masons). Sick.
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    « Reply #12 on: July 17, 2013, 11:46:12 AM »
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  • Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
    There's an article on Non Possumus about the statue really portraying the devil on top of St. Michael, implying that the gates of hell have prevailed against the Church.

    If that's the true meaning of this statue, then I have to think that Francis and Benedict may be luciferians (Masons). Sick.


    Here's the Non Possumus article (in English) and I am thoroughly freaked out. THEY'RE RIGHT! That's not just an uber-feminized St. Michael ...that's freakin LUCIFER on top! I can't believe how I missed that: of course he looks like Apollo! And no armor? The close-up of the globe (copied it from the article, see below) looks like the bottom guy is the one wearing the armor (as NP suggests).

    But even more disturbing, and we couldn't see it in the OP pic, is that black square in the earth that the figures are standing on — the great abyss. It's NOT being closed up by the matching gold square with the pierced hand of Jesus on it. Looks like the belt with the pierced hand which should be covering the black square (and the belt has the "gates of Hell shall not prevail.." inscription) has SLIPPED OFF the black square.




    The OP photo is blurrier, and I don't even see the gold belt in the OP photo (different angles). Wonder if traditio has seen this angle of this ...thing?

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    « Reply #13 on: July 17, 2013, 12:07:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Napoli
    I have the same problem. He's been my patron since I was conceived but I have always hated the pictures that make him look like a women. It's this misguided notion that angels are somehow sexless and neuter like. This feeds into the idea of being able to choose your own sex or following whichever gender you choose.

    My avatar is a good masculine one.

    Pax


    Technically aren't pure spirits of neither sex?  But I get your point.  I do not think the traditional pictures intend to feed into the idea you suggest.

    A pure and holy spirit kicking some a.  Hard to depict accurately.  But I would prefer a more manly looking angel myself.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #14 on: July 17, 2013, 12:10:39 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    Looking like a young teenager, but with a holy countenance and representing the traditional imagery of the Catholic Faith is perfectly ok.

     


    Well put.  I could not find the right words to express myself.  He looks at complete peace, there is no hatred in his eyes.  That is what they are trying to depict, not someone who is nueterless in a bad sort of way.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church