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Offline Bonafidecat

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New Code of Canon Law...Communion for non-Catholics?
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    • Can someone please direct me to the section in the New CCL where Communion is to be allowed for non-Catholics?  I want to bring this up to an SSPX priest as to why the SSPX signed off on this.  I will also bring up the marriage issue.
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    Re: New Code of Canon Law...Communion for non-Catholics?
    « Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 01:38:05 PM »
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    • Can. 844 §1. Catholic ministers administer the sacraments licitly to Catholic members of the Christian faithful alone, who likewise receive them licitly from Catholic ministers alone, without prejudice to the prescripts of §§2, 3, and 4 of this canon, and can. 861, §2.

    §2. Whenever necessity requires it or true spiritual advantage suggests it, and provided that danger of error or of indifferentism is avoided, the Christian faithful for whom it is physically or morally impossible to approach a Catholic minister are permitted to receive the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick from non-

    Catholic ministers in whose Churches these sacraments are valid.

    §3. Catholic ministers administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick licitly to members of Eastern Churches which do not have full communion with the Catholic Church if they seek such on their own accord and are properly disposed. This is also valid for members of other Churches which in the judgment of the Apostolic See are in the same condition in regard to the sacraments as these Eastern Churches.

    §4. If the danger of death is present or if, in the judgment of the diocesan bishop or conference of bishops, some other grave necessity urges it, Catholic ministers administer these same sacraments licitly also to other Christians not having full communion with the Catholic Church, who cannot approach a minister of their own community and who seek such on their own accord, provided that they manifest Catholic faith in respect to these sacraments and are properly disposed.
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    Re: New Code of Canon Law...Communion for non-Catholics?
    « Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 02:11:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on Yesterday at 01:38:05 PM
    Can. 844 §1. Catholic ministers administer the sacraments licitly to Catholic members of the Christian faithful alone, who likewise receive them licitly from Catholic ministers alone, without prejudice to the prescripts of §§2, 3, and 4 of this canon, and can. 861, §2.

    §2. Whenever necessity requires it or true spiritual advantage suggests it, and provided that danger of error or of indifferentism is avoided, the Christian faithful for whom it is physically or morally impossible to approach a Catholic minister are permitted to receive the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick from non-

    Catholic ministers in whose Churches these sacraments are valid.

    §3. Catholic ministers administer the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick licitly to members of Eastern Churches which do not have full communion with the Catholic Church if they seek such on their own accord and are properly disposed. This is also valid for members of other Churches which in the judgment of the Apostolic See are in the same condition in regard to the sacraments as these Eastern Churches.

    §4. If the danger of death is present or if, in the judgment of the diocesan bishop or conference of bishops, some other grave necessity urges it, Catholic ministers administer these same sacraments licitly also to other Christians not having full communion with the Catholic Church, who cannot approach a minister of their own community and who seek such on their own accord, provided that they manifest Catholic faith in respect to these sacraments and are properly disposed.
    Regarding #4, who are these "other Christians", specifically?
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    Re: New Code of Canon Law...Communion for non-Catholics?
    « Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 03:02:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Bonafidecat on Yesterday at 02:11:31 PM
    Regarding #4, who are these "other Christians", specifically?
    I assume they mean members of basically any other "Christian" sect besides the Eastern Orthodox
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    Re: New Code of Canon Law...Communion for non-Catholics?
    « Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 04:02:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on Yesterday at 03:02:28 PM
    I assume they mean members of basically any other "Christian" sect besides the Eastern Orthodox

    I think it would not include Protestants because the Canon says they must "manifest Catholic faith in respect to these Sacraments."

    That language would seem to limit application to the Orthodox and Old Catholics, since on the subject of the Sacraments per se, there is no substantial disagreement on their meaning and effects.


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    Re: New Code of Canon Law...Communion for non-Catholics?
    « Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 04:20:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Angelus on Yesterday at 04:02:24 PM
    I think it would not include Protestants because the Canon says they must "manifest Catholic faith in respect to these Sacraments."

    That language would seem to limit application to the Orthodox and Old Catholics, since on the subject of the Sacraments per se, there is no substantial disagreement on their meaning and effects.
    Reading it again I think you are right

    But if by "Catholic Faith" they really mean "Novus Ordo faith", then..as the majority of NOers deny Transubstantiation..it might include Prots as well :laugh1:
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    Re: New Code of Canon Law...Communion for non-Catholics?
    « Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 10:57:49 PM »
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    • Could it also be part of the Modernist agenda to use nebulous terminology?  Kind of like Yves Congar (I believe) who essentially said, "We'll know how to interpret the docuмents after the Council."  Pretty much everything those guys touch turns to manure by design.
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    Re: New Code of Canon Law...Communion for non-Catholics?
    « Reply #7 on: Today at 06:11:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Angelus on Yesterday at 04:02:24 PM
    I think it would not include Protestants because the Canon says they must "manifest Catholic faith in respect to these Sacraments."

    That language would seem to limit application to the Orthodox and Old Catholics, since on the subject of the Sacraments per se, there is no substantial disagreement on their meaning and effects.
    Anglicans and Lutherans believe Christ is truly present in their own Eucharists (even though He's not), though they define it differently and do not call it "transubstantiation" (but neither do Orthodox).  Even some Methodists believe in a kind of Real Presence.

    Whether this could be called "manifesting Catholic Faith in respect to these Sacraments (or at least in the Eucharist)" could be argued either way.  Anglicans and Lutherans also have a concept of a minister being able to absolve sins, and I would assume in some kind of "anointing of the sick".  When my uncle had an aneurysm and was near death, ministers from his Baptist communion came and anointed him, per James 5:14-15, and though it was absolutely not a true sacrament, he recovered and lived for decades after that.  I'm not suggesting that Almighty God confers sacramental grace through invalid sacraments, but He is not limited to the sacraments.  (Don't interpret that as religious indifferentism on my part.  I'm just telling the reader what happened.)
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    Re: New Code of Canon Law...Communion for non-Catholics?
    « Reply #8 on: Today at 10:30:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Bonafidecat on Yesterday at 02:11:31 PM
    Regarding #4, who are these "other Christians", specifically?


    Well that's the problem.

    There are no "Other Christians", as the Church is one. You must PROFESS belief in the CATHOLIC Church to receive communion.

    So "Other Christians", can only refer to protestants.
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