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Offline DirigeNos

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New-Church Nixes Titles of Our Lady - Co-redemptrix & Mediatrix
« on: November 04, 2025, 02:22:37 PM »
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  • https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/267563/vatican-nixes-use-of-co-redemptrix-mediatrix-as-titles-for-mary

    The conciliar false church has decided to strip away a few titles of Our Blessed Mother. "Co-redemptrix" and "mediatrix of all graces."  They have added some new titles which are more in line with a synodal church: "Mater Populi Fidelis"  "MPF" "Mother of the Faithful Peoples of God". 

    Clearly this is against basic catechism, and a grave insult to our lady. Several of the Pre-Vat II Popes have used these honorable titles for her in letters and Encyclicals (Pius X, Benedict XV, Pius XI, etc.) The Blessed Virgin Mary is the new Eve, crushing the head of the serpent. She was in the mind of God from the beginning, same as our redemption was part of the plan. Devotion to Mary is a sure path to her son and to heaven. And yes, she did cooperate in our redemption the moment she said "Fiat" before the angel Gabriel at the Incarnation. It takes nothing away from Jesus  - as the moon takes nothing away from the light of the sun but reflects it. To honor Mary is to honor Jesus. Apparently these discussions to remove the titles began with the Benedict XVI papacy.

    It might be good to pray the Litany of Loretto today to repair this disrespect to Our Lady, and to ask her daily for the graces we need from Our Lord through her hands. 

    References: 1918 Encyclical "Inter Sodalicia" Benedict XV. 'Mary, by her suffering with Christ and offering her Son for mankind, "redeemed with Christ the human race." '.



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    Re: New-Church Nixes Titles of Our Lady - Co-redemptrix & Mediatrix
    « Reply #1 on: November 04, 2025, 05:49:29 PM »
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  • Mary, the Co-Redemptrix and Mater Populi Fidelis


     The Co-Redemptrix and Mater Populi Fidelis

    by Father Pierre LaLiberté*, JCD/PhD
    for Rorate Cæli

    The docuмent Mater Populi Fidelis of the Dicastery of the Doctrine of the Faith, specifically in numbers 17 and 18 gives a undeservedly over-simplified overview of this important doctrine of the Catholic Faith. The fact that Our Lady cooperated in the work of the Redemption, at least mediately, is a de fide teaching. To doubt it would incur theological censure.

    For a clear and comprehensive overview of the main lines of this teaching and its historical development, I refer the reader to J. A. de Aldama, S.J., “De Corredemptione,” in Sacrae Theologiae Summa, vol. 3, Madrid, BAC, 1961, pp. 413-443. (English translation by Fr. Kenneth Baker, S.J., vol. IIIA, pp. 441-466.) A further and more detailed explanation can be found in J. Carol, O.F.M. “Our Lady’s Coredemption,” in Mariology, vol. 2, Milwaukee, Bruce, 1957, pp. 377-425. 
    The usage of the title of Our Lady as Co-Redemptrix is one which has been historically ascertained as being theologically certain. de Aldama notes that “it is not licit to doubt about its suitability.” The opposite theological note to this would be an “error in theology.”
    It is a sad consequence of the times in which we live that there exist voices which aim to subvert the traditional teachings of the Church by exploiting the lower-grades of theological certitude to attempt to discourage the use of theologically valid and sound arguments from Scripture, Tradition and the Magisterium. In this specific instance, such opinions are aimed at Our Blessed Lady’s mediate and, furthermore, immediate cooperation in Our Lord’s work of redemption. Even the latter is asserted within the teachings of the Papal Magisterium dating back to Pius IX and Leo XIII, and even is found in the post-conciliar teachings of John Paul II. Mater Populi Fidelis grossly oversimplifies the theological reflection which has been expounded by the Pontiffs when it states: “some Popes have used the title “Co-redemptrix” without elaborating much on its meaning.” In the interests of brevity, a full catalogue of these papal teachings on co-redemption can be found in the reference cited above. One need only refer to the bull “Ineffabilis” of Pius IX; the encyclicals “Iucunda Semper” and “Supremi Apostolatus” of Leo XIII; the encyclical “Miserentissimus Redemptor” of Pius XI; as well as the encyclicals “Mystici Corporis” and “Ad cæli Reginam” of Pius XII and the bull “Munificentissimus Deus” of the same Pius XII.
    In some circles, the ambiguities in this docuмent have caused the sad effect of scandal, in turn causing the “little ones” to doubt that the teaching is no longer valid, and some even to rejoice that this so-called “unclear terminology” is being cast aside. “Severely affronted” best describes this teaching which is intrinsic to the Catholic Tradition. How painful it is to see some well-meaning Catholics appearing jubilant over this critical and magisterial teaching being classified (dismissed?) as “inappropriate” – a term which itself has no relevance to the theological tradition at stake. “Inappropriate” in this context seems to only imply that the term is not relevant to the ambiguous and unclear conciliar-synodal approach in vogue in the highest levels of the Church since the Second Vatican Council. Interestingly, Juniper Carol even cites Protestant theologians such as Giovanni Miegge and Pierre Maury in defense of the teaching of Our Lady’s corredemption! Maury notes that “the Coredemption is not only one of the primary principles of Mariology; in the mind of the Popes and Catholic theologians, it is the very synthesis of the Marian tract.” (Carol, p. 377)
    To assert, as Mater Populi Fidelis does in no. 22, that “when an expression requires many, repeated explanations to prevent it from straying from a correct meaning, it does not serve the faith of the People of God and becomes unhelpful.” A study of this question from approved theological authors does not bear out this reality. As Catholics, we must consider the entirety of teaching as found within the Magisterium and Tradition. The docuмents mentioned above are important data points in this theological reflection. To assert that the expression “requires many, repeated explanations” is mere theological lassitude. To simply say that this important title sanctioned by the Magisterial authority of the Church, is to be disregarded, causes the Tradition to be placed into doubt. A parallel argument can be made for post-conciliar liturgical legislation casting opprobrium upon the irrevocable and perpetual right conceded by Quo Primum by St. Pius V. The Petrine authority is to safeguard the Tradition and not to innovate, and to make it possible for theologians in universities, in concert with it, to explain and clarify teachings of the two-millennium-old Catholic experience stemming from the depositum fidei. This diachronic identity is completely essential for the Church to remain the Church. How easy it becomes now to find these sources of authentic teaching via archive.org or even via artificial intelligence, and how sad it is to see such over-simplifications being proffered by the very authorities in the Church who should safeguard, protect, and celebrate these teachings eodem sensu eademque sententia!
    Any serious theological analysis of the truth of Our Lady’s co-redemption must contend with the clear theological data found in Catholic Tradition, emanating from the Scriptural grounding in the proto-Evangelium of Genesis 3:15 as well as Magisterial teaching, the authority of the saints, and other landmarks of Catholic heritage such as hymnody and theological reasoning.
    This author chooses to stand with the Sovereign Pontiffs on the matter and upon the centuries of the development of Our Lady’s co-redemption with Jesus Christ the Lord and Redeemer.
    De Maria, numquam satis.
    * Pen name of a priest friend of Rorate Caeli.

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    Re: New-Church Nixes Titles of Our Lady - Co-redemptrix & Mediatrix
    « Reply #2 on: November 04, 2025, 08:15:02 PM »
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  • So, Leo is trying to cancel Our Lady?  Let him go ahead.  He’ll fail.  I’m not worried.  True Catholics love Our Mother and will continue to do so. 

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    "Mater Populi Fidelis" 🤦‍♂️
    « Reply #3 on: November 04, 2025, 08:53:56 PM »
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  • The very title, "Mater Populi Fidelis", is wrong, too. She's not just the mother of the faithful but of all mankind. She's the New Eve.
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    Re: "Mater Populi Fidelis" 🤦‍♂️
    « Reply #4 on: November 04, 2025, 09:27:24 PM »
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  • Mater Populi Fidelis

    Víctor Manuel "Smoochie" Card. Fernández even admits contradicting "St." JP2:
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    Saint John Paul II referred to Mary as “Co-redemptrix” on at least seven occasions, particularly relating this title to the salvific value of our sufferings when they are offered together with the sufferings of Christ, to whom Mary is united especially at the Cross.
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    Re: New-Church Nixes Titles of Our Lady - Co-redemptrix & Mediatrix
    « Reply #5 on: November 04, 2025, 09:28:35 PM »
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  • History seems to show us that God will endure a lot of offences, but He will not allow His Blessed Mother to be insulted.

    Not even Francis dared to take this path. Poor Leo The Ice Lover might get struck by lightining soon. Maybe even literally.

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    Re: "Mater Populi Fidelis" 🤦‍♂️
    « Reply #6 on: November 04, 2025, 09:36:13 PM »
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  • The very title, "Mater Populi Fidelis", is wrong, too.

    I don't think they really care about that.

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    Re: "Mater Populi Fidelis" 🤦‍♂️
    « Reply #7 on: November 05, 2025, 11:55:30 AM »
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  • I don't think they really care about that.
    I think they do care. They are gently disgracing Our Holy Mother.
    It's worse than we thought. They are attempting to strip Our Holy Mother of Her title as Mediatrix of All Graces.

    The note also discouraged the widespread title “Mediatrix of All Graces,” suggesting that it lacks solid grounding in Revelation and carries “limits that do not favor a correct understanding of Mary’s unique place.”

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vatican-rejects-marian-titles-co-redemptrix-and-mediatrix-in-new-doctrinal-note/
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    Re: New-Church Nixes Titles of Our Lady - Co-redemptrix & Mediatrix
    « Reply #8 on: November 05, 2025, 12:32:20 PM »
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  • Indeed, it's in the book of Catholic Dogma. Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma - Ott  (~pg. 223-226)

    Mary is designated mediatrix of all graces in a double sense :
    1. Mary gave the Redeemer, the Source of all graces, to the world, and in this way she is the channel of all graces. (Sent, certa.)
      sententia certa - a theologically certain teaching

    2. Since Mary’s Assumption into Heaven no grace is conferred on man without her actual intercessory co-operation. (Sent, pia et probabilis)
        certain, pious accepted opinion in line with the Faith

    The title Coredemptrix/coredemptress has been current since the 15th century. 

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    Co-Redemptrix is theologically certain.
    « Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 04:30:37 PM »
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  • J. A. de Aldama, S.J., “De Corredemptione,” in Sacræ Theologiæ Summa, vol. 3, Madrid, BAC, 1961, pp. 413-443. (English translation by Fr. Kenneth Baker, S.J., vol. IIIA, pp. 441-466.):
    Quote from: de Aldama, S.J.
    That the title of Corredemptrix is used rightly is certain; and it is not licit to doubt about its suitability.
    "Theologically certain" is the 5th degree in Cartechini's ranking of theological notes:
    Quote from: Cartechini, S.J.
    Effects of denial: Mortal sin against faith.
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    Re: New-Church Nixes Titles of Our Lady - Co-redemptrix & Mediatrix
    « Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 05:25:01 PM »
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  • Mary's Song of Praise: The Magnificat
    46 And Mary said,
    “My soul magnifies the Lord,
    47     and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
    48 for he has looked on the humble estate of his servant.
        For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed;
    49 for he who is mighty has done great things for me,
        and holy is his name.
    50 And his mercy is for those who fear him
        from generation to generation.
    51 He has shown strength with his arm;
        he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts;
    52 he has brought down the mighty from their thrones
        and exalted those of humble estate;
    53 he has filled the hungry with good things,
        and the rich he has sent away empty.
    54 He has helped his servant Israel,
        in remembrance of his mercy,
    55 as he spoke to our fathers,
        to Abraham and to his offspring forever.”




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    Re: New-Church Nixes Titles of Our Lady - Co-redemptrix & Mediatrix
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  • You should be more concerned with the Vatican anti Christ agenda of ecuмenism with non Christian religions. 

    They removed Christ from all things.

    Our blessed Mother was a servant to God.  Mary was blessed by God.  She was a helper to God.  Our blessed Mother gave birth our Jesus Christ, Son of God 
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: New-Church Nixes Titles of Our Lady - Co-redemptrix & Mediatrix
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  • Good article about co-Redemptrix on Facebook : Traditional Catholic -MCSPX
    5 minute read
    Two attachments ( Screenshot)

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=629013739882286&id=100083209966984

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  • I just don't buy this idea that Mary stands between me and Christ, that His grace comes through her to me, like she is an aqueduct. This seems to be the traditional idea of "mediatrix" but it just seems excessive. I agree with this docuмent when it says that God is the one who bestows graces through Christ. Directly to us, not through any intermediaries like Mary. She prays for us, but she doesn't stand between God and us, right? This traditional idea of mediatrix seems highly excessive. And I'm comfortable disagreeing with it because it's just theological opinion