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New book arguing against Sedevacantism
« Reply #735 on: December 27, 2015, 03:35:44 PM »
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    She answered your question, and it is a valid answer for a Catholic to give, though I will give another valid answer more in depth. Sorry to see you have a problem with why you yourself don't know why you need a pope so you ignore him completely. Better to know you don't have one than to think you have one and then utterly ignore him!


    No, it is a reply a sedevacantist gives, it is not an answer in any way, shape or form a Catholic would give.


    It is a valid answer for someone who has the faith, and evaluated as invalid by someone who doesn't.


    No need for you to remain dishonest here, you saying it is a valid answer just proves you do not know why YOU need a pope either.

    Just admit that any Catholic who feels bound and determined to pursue sedevacantism, regardless of what the Church says, is neither sensible, nor pious, nor humble, nor Catholic no matter how well-intentioned he credits himself with being. Neither is he seriously desirous of growing in virtue and loving union with Christ; instead, he wants something to distract him from his prayers and pursuit of spiritual intimacy.


     
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    « Reply #736 on: December 27, 2015, 03:37:08 PM »
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    She answered your question, and it is a valid answer for a Catholic to give, though I will give another valid answer more in depth. Sorry to see you have a problem with why you yourself don't know why you need a pope so you ignore him completely. Better to know you don't have one than to think you have one and then utterly ignore him!


    No, it is a reply a sedevacantist gives, it is not an answer in any way, shape or form a Catholic would give.


    It is a valid answer for someone who has the faith, and evaluated as invalid by someone who doesn't.


    No need for you to remain dishonest here, you saying it is a valid answer just proves you do not know why YOU need a pope either.

    Just admit that any Catholic who feels bound and determined to pursue this matter, regardless of what the Church says, is neither sensible, nor pious, nor humble, nor Catholic no matter how well-intentioned he credits himself with being. Neither is he seriously desirous of growing in virtue and loving union with Christ; instead, he wants something to distract him from his prayers and pursuit of spiritual intimacy.
     


    It is clear that YOU deny the dogma I just quoted, and like a stinking heretic are here to try to infect others.
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    « Reply #737 on: December 27, 2015, 03:40:25 PM »
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    She answered your question, and it is a valid answer for a Catholic to give, though I will give another valid answer more in depth. Sorry to see you have a problem with why you yourself don't know why you need a pope so you ignore him completely. Better to know you don't have one than to think you have one and then utterly ignore him!


    No, it is a reply a sedevacantist gives, it is not an answer in any way, shape or form a Catholic would give.


    It is a valid answer for someone who has the faith, and evaluated as invalid by someone who doesn't.


    No need for you to remain dishonest here, you saying it is a valid answer just proves you do not know why YOU need a pope either.

    Just admit that any Catholic who feels bound and determined to pursue this matter, regardless of what the Church says, is neither sensible, nor pious, nor humble, nor Catholic no matter how well-intentioned he credits himself with being. Neither is he seriously desirous of growing in virtue and loving union with Christ; instead, he wants something to distract him from his prayers and pursuit of spiritual intimacy.
     


    It is clear that YOU deny the dogma I just quoted, and like a stinking heretic are here to try to infect others.


    HA HA!
    You are not only wrong, you do not even know why you even need a pope at all. WTH kind of sedevacantists are you guys anyway - someone should take your sede cards away till you can answer why you even need a pope at all.
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    « Reply #738 on: December 27, 2015, 03:54:06 PM »
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    She answered your question, and it is a valid answer for a Catholic to give, though I will give another valid answer more in depth. Sorry to see you have a problem with why you yourself don't know why you need a pope so you ignore him completely. Better to know you don't have one than to think you have one and then utterly ignore him!


    No, it is a reply a sedevacantist gives, it is not an answer in any way, shape or form a Catholic would give.


    It is a valid answer for someone who has the faith, and evaluated as invalid by someone who doesn't.


    No need for you to remain dishonest here, you saying it is a valid answer just proves you do not know why YOU need a pope either.

    Just admit that any Catholic who feels bound and determined to pursue this matter, regardless of what the Church says, is neither sensible, nor pious, nor humble, nor Catholic no matter how well-intentioned he credits himself with being. Neither is he seriously desirous of growing in virtue and loving union with Christ; instead, he wants something to distract him from his prayers and pursuit of spiritual intimacy.
     


    It is clear that YOU deny the dogma I just quoted, and like a stinking heretic are here to try to infect others.


    HA HA!
    You are not only wrong, you do not even know why you even need a pope at all. WTH kind of sedevacantists are you guys anyway - someone should take your sede cards away till you can answer why you even need a pope at all.


    A typical heretic response dodging your clear denial of the dogma I quoted. You come here railing againt SV, and then say you doubt that Francis is a pope, and then say you don't believe a most solid dogma, and then try to turn the tables. Are you a mental case or on the Communist payroll from Vatican City?
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    « Reply #739 on: December 27, 2015, 04:03:40 PM »
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    • Your puerile accusations are not even laughable.

    You have no idea why you even need a pope or you would have answered the question quicker than you try to change the subject.

    You prove you have no idea why you need a pope with each attempted sidetracking post filled with false accusations that you make. Well I am not letting up, I will keep on this subject till you either answer it or admit you have no flaming idea why YOU need a pope.

    The heck of it is, you carry on in your error knowing full well that you have no idea why. It's a sede thing.

    Get it through your head that the legitimacy of the pope is not your concern; it is the concern of Christ only, because He alone has authority over the pope and He has the power to solve any problems that may arise from his being illegitimate, should the case ever occur. It's especially not your concern when you don't even know why you even need a pope at all.
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    « Reply #740 on: December 27, 2015, 04:06:59 PM »
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    Your puerile accusations are not even laughable.

    You have no idea why you even need a pope or you would have answered the question quicker than you try to change the subject.

    You prove you have no idea why you need a pope with each attempted sidetracking post filled with false accusations that you make. Well I am not letting up, I will keep on this subject till you either answer it or admit you have no flaming idea why YOU need a pope.

    The heck of it is, you carry on in your error knowing full well that you have no idea why. It's a sede thing.

    Get it through your head that the legitimacy of the pope is not your concern; it is the concern of Christ only, because He alone has authority over the pope and He has the power to solve any problems that may arise from his being illegitimate, should the case ever occur. It's especially not your concern when you don't even know why you even need a pope at all.


    I know the accusation is not laughable, because it is serious and true. It may also be puerile because I think it is child's play to see that you denied the dogma I quoted. Compare the quote of the dogma, and then your quote saying you don't need a pope. It is so easy even a cave woman can see it.
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    « Reply #741 on: December 27, 2015, 04:09:15 PM »
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    • You see through sedevacantist glasses, which is why you have no idea why YOU need a pope.

    Please keep on topic. The topic being, you have no idea why YOU even need a pope.
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    « Reply #742 on: December 27, 2015, 04:12:26 PM »
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    You see through sedevacantist glasses, which is why you have no idea why YOU need a pope.

    Please keep on topic. The topic being, you have no idea why YOU even need a pope.


    Actually, the book by Salsa  and Siscoe is the topic, so your dodge really isn't valid. And if you think it is....well, I started a new thread so it will definitely be on topic.
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    « Reply #743 on: December 27, 2015, 04:22:40 PM »
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    • Your desperation is apparent, you need to avoid answering the clear question at all costs, but that does not change the indisputable fact that you have no idea why YOU even need a pope at all.
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    « Reply #744 on: December 27, 2015, 04:27:58 PM »
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    Your desperation is apparent, you need to avoid answering the clear question at all costs, but that does not change the indisputable fact that you have no idea why YOU even need a pope at all.


    I said I would answer, and I will. And it is easy. But I will allow you to insert your foot further and further into your own mouth first.

    The dogma says what it says, and no Catholic need answer any more than to profess that solemn dogma that they need to be subject to the pope, and that we must pray and work always to have a pope despite interregnums.
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    « Reply #745 on: December 27, 2015, 04:37:01 PM »
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    • You do not even believe in Dogma, I told you before to use only SV teaching to support SV - trying to use Catholic dogma when it seems convenient to suit your twisted purpose only adds to more scandal.

    Now, back to the current topic:
    Per your own sedevacantist belief, there have been no popes for the last 58 years - yet PRESUMABLY, you have kept the faith, ipso facto proves that YOU  don't even need a pope to keep the faith - so why do you even need a pope at all?  

    Why do you, an avowed sedevacantist, even need a pope at all?
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    « Reply #746 on: December 27, 2015, 06:24:49 PM »
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    « Reply #747 on: November 16, 2021, 07:42:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on December 27, 2015, 04:37:01 PM
    You do not even believe in Dogma, I told you before to use only SV teaching to support SV - trying to use Catholic dogma when it seems convenient to suit your twisted purpose only adds to more scandal.

    Now, back to the current topic:
    Per your own sedevacantist belief, there have been no popes for the last 58 years - yet PRESUMABLY, you have kept the faith, ipso facto proves that YOU  don't even need a pope to keep the faith - so why do you even need a pope at all? 

    Why do you, an avowed sedevacantist, even need a pope at all?

    Very good point, Stubborn.

    When (or if, the possibility is acknowledged by the theologians who even say "can't happen") we are confronted with what we are confronted, to what does one turn?

    This is why St. Paul said to hold to the teachings, to Tradition - and not simply to do whatever Peter did or said, and be done with it.

    If one did whatever Peter did, one would have followed him into schism. Galatians 2.

    But they will say, there is a distinction between doing and saying - which is obliterated by the recent regimes.

    Oh, but they are not really popes, bishops . . . right. Our consciences and beliefs being assuaged by a simple negation - no matter the correspondence with what happened or exists out there in the real world - we go on.

    Not.

    I'm with you, Stubborn.


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    Re: New book arguing against Sedevacantism
    « Reply #748 on: November 16, 2021, 07:52:52 AM »
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    • We need a pope so we do not set up false sects, or, as doctor and St. Francis de Sales said, set up "other altars." 

    The horror of schism leads to the horror of heresy, without fail and inevitably. We hold the ground against heresy here, here, on the sacred ground of the Church. And do not run off and splinter the body of Christ into pieces which cannot be put back together. A crack can be fixed; a shattered vessel is irretrievably lost . . . forever. 

    There is one body, one Church of Christ. We suffer with it, and tell the pope he is off when he departs from Tradition and the faith "once delivered to the saints." 
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