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Offline SanMateo

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New Archdiocese of Detroit "Coat of Arms"
« on: June 08, 2017, 11:22:44 AM »
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  • The Archdiocese of Detroit has been getting a lot of backlash on their new "coat of arms" that was realized alongside a letter from the archbishop.  I shared it with my friend, and his response was, "Typical.  Bland, meaningless and lacking in anything purposeful.  Very effeminate."  That was the most charitable comment I've seen.  

    Of course, many are lined up to defend the coat of arms.  The interesting thing is that even the Novus Ordo Catholics hate it.  This new logo is the felt banner special.  I guess they were trying to appeal to the baby boomers because that's all that's left.  

    Feel free to stop by their Facebook page and provide feedback on their new coat of arms if you are so inclined.  I think they need to know that no real Catholics are into this garbage.  
    (Fully aware that many people will say that the Archdiocese doesn't matter because it ceased being Catholic years ago)



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    Re: New Archdiocese of Detroit "Coat of Arms"
    « Reply #1 on: June 08, 2017, 07:07:44 PM »
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  • Well!!!  I don't like it either.  Besides, when our military family went to Europe 1978 -1983 we would go to bizarres and we would look up our family coat of arms.  You went through a book, page after page and we looked up "Vogel" which means bird in German.  Well, there were many coat of arms for Vogel and it depended upon what area you came from.  There were all kinds of "ugly" birds (imo) and different colors.  My husband said to pick what I liked best.  I said, no, because I would like the right one, for the colors and symbols are very important to their meanings.  

    When you look for coat of arms you don't expect changes over the centuries, either.  That takes away all the "specialness".  And of course that is New Order!  Masons that strip the earth of all religion.  Very sad.

    I was wondering about the original coat of arms and the meanings of this one from MI.


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    Re: New Archdiocese of Detroit "Coat of Arms"
    « Reply #2 on: June 08, 2017, 07:20:51 PM »
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  • It's what I call, "Novus Ordo art".  You see this kind of graphics in Novus Ordo church bulletins all the time.  Why should the Detroit archbishop be as banal as the rest of his diocese?  Actually, I wonder why they even bother with a coat of arms anymore.

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    Re: New Archdiocese of Detroit "Coat of Arms"
    « Reply #3 on: June 12, 2017, 06:34:21 AM »
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  • It's what I call, "Novus Ordo art".  You see this kind of graphics in Novus Ordo church bulletins all the time.  Why should the Detroit archbishop be as banal as the rest of his diocese?  Actually, I wonder why they even bother with a coat of arms anymore.
    Church bulletins, in the hymnals, "religious ed" books . . . 




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    Re: New Archdiocese of Detroit "Coat of Arms"
    « Reply #4 on: June 12, 2017, 08:20:34 AM »
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  • It reminds me a little of the Starbucks logo- maybe because of it's primitive 'simplicity"?
    Not sure but unnecessarily creepy. Forgive me Blessed Mother but you deserve the best- That "Coat of Arms" is not it.



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    Re: New Archdiocese of Detroit "Coat of Arms"
    « Reply #5 on: June 12, 2017, 09:18:14 AM »
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  • It reminds me a little of the Starbucks logo- maybe because of it's primitive 'simplicity"?
    Not sure but unnecessarily creepy. Forgive me Blessed Mother but you deserve the best- That "Coat of Arms" is not it.


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    Like much of modern art, its heavy on shapes ambiguously interacting with and relating to one another.  At a glance it's easy enough to understand the literal composition of the images (e.g., there's an open door, there's some water, and there's at least two people in it, and at least one of them's reading).  But with more than a glance, the image becomes frustrating and invites one to doubt whatever meaning one may have extracted at a glance (besides the fact that it's ugly).
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    There's nothing wrong, as such, with artistic symbolism (even in religious art) having multiple meanings. A hare, for instance, can represent defenseless man who puts his faith and hope in Christ Jesus.  It can also represent or allude to lust (we're all probably familiar with the axiom of "breeding like rabbits"); and for this second reason may be placed near the feet of the Blessed Mother as an indicator of her "triumph over" lust (or spotlessness and complete removal from lust, if one prefers to put it that way, given that she was sinless in the first place).  But ambiguity is different from an actual multiplicity of meaning, because where there is a multiplicity of meaning context tends to emphasize that which is intended.
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    Take now the three stars on the two coats of arms.  These might refer to the Great lakes, but they also no doubt are Trinitarian in a sense, and in the first coat of arms they are placed on the beam of the cross, showing an inseparable connection between the cross and the Holy Trinity.  Makes sense, right?  After all, Christ the God-man is an inseparable person of the Triune-Godhead.  The last prayer in the offertory is an offering of Christ to the Holy Trinity.
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    Now here we have the Trinitarian symbols removed from the cross, and the cross itself is simple ornamentation on the open door, over which the stars hover.  So, if nothing else, the diocese no longer associate's the symbol of the cross with the symbol of the Trinity.  The three stars aren't really related to anything in the new coat of arms.  They're just there.  
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    One might also find objection in the two-person image on the left panel of the coat.  Why two different types and colors of halos?  To represent the different "types" of faith, perhaps?  And let's not ignore the obvious-- these two figures look like they're wearing hijabs.  Deerborn, anyone?  
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: New Archdiocese of Detroit "Coat of Arms"
    « Reply #6 on: June 13, 2017, 06:52:20 AM »
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  • .
    Like much of modern art, its heavy on shapes ambiguously interacting with and relating to one another.  At a glance it's easy enough to understand the literal composition of the images (e.g., there's an open door, there's some water, and there's at least two people in it, and at least one of them's reading).  But with more than a glance, the image becomes frustrating and invites one to doubt whatever meaning one may have extracted at a glance (besides the fact that it's ugly).
    .
    There's nothing wrong, as such, with artistic symbolism (even in religious art) having multiple meanings. A hare, for instance, can represent defenseless man who puts his faith and hope in Christ Jesus.  It can also represent or allude to lust (we're all probably familiar with the axiom of "breeding like rabbits"); and for this second reason may be placed near the feet of the Blessed Mother as an indicator of her "triumph over" lust (or spotlessness and complete removal from lust, if one prefers to put it that way, given that she was sinless in the first place).  But ambiguity is different from an actual multiplicity of meaning, because where there is a multiplicity of meaning context tends to emphasize that which is intended.
    .
    Take now the three stars on the two coats of arms.  These might refer to the Great lakes, but they also no doubt are Trinitarian in a sense, and in the first coat of arms they are placed on the beam of the cross, showing an inseparable connection between the cross and the Holy Trinity.  Makes sense, right?  After all, Christ the God-man is an inseparable person of the Triune-Godhead.  The last prayer in the offertory is an offering of Christ to the Holy Trinity.
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    Now here we have the Trinitarian symbols removed from the cross, and the cross itself is simple ornamentation on the open door, over which the stars hover.  So, if nothing else, the diocese no longer associate's the symbol of the cross with the symbol of the Trinity.  The three stars aren't really related to anything in the new coat of arms.  They're just there.  
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    One might also find objection in the two-person image on the left panel of the coat.  Why two different types and colors of halos?  To represent the different "types" of faith, perhaps?  And let's not ignore the obvious-- these two figures look like they're wearing hijabs.  Deerborn, anyone?  
    Excellent analysis.  Thank you.  
    I was born in Deeeeeeeerborn Heights.  So I get it, lol.