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Offline Drolo

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Neocatechumenal Way
« on: August 05, 2022, 05:31:32 AM »
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  • Yes, I know they are Novus Ordo, and indeed they have one of the worst if not the worst Novus Ordo liturgy and some pretty questionable things. However, I'm surprised by the enormous success they have. While the Novus Ordo is in complete decline with fewer people and fewer vocations. The Neocatechumenal Way does not stop growing, its "communities" multiply like mushrooms all over the world. If you go to a Way mass, you will notice that it is crowded, with a lot of young people, just the opposite of most ordinary Novus Ordo masses.

    I know "Kikos" in Spain and it is not uncommon for them to have 6-7 children, we are talking about a country with a low birth rate, where this hardly changes with the Novus Ordo Catholics, the Novus Ordo Churches are half empty and full of elderly, However, the reality on the Way is the opposite. They are full of youth, growth and fertility.

    I have spoken with several of them, and politically they would be considered "far right". They tell very clearly against gender ideology, abortion, feminism, etc, nothing to do with the average Liberal Novus Ordo.

    What is the explanation for why the most liturgically Novus Ordo group of all has this overwhelming success?

    It seems to me an interesting phenomenon and that is why I open a thread to talk about this.

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    Re: Neocatechumenal Way
    « Reply #1 on: August 05, 2022, 06:12:16 AM »
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  • They are not Catholic. They don’t have the NO, as I understand it. Their HQ in in Israel. Check out the webpage.
    domusgalilaeae.org

    The mission of the Domus Galilaeae

    wailingwall2The center “Domus Galilaeae” will be a place where Christians, and above all, seminarians and presbyters, will be able to have a direct contact with the living tradition of Israel, following the footsteps of St. Justin, Origen, and St. Jerome as well as many other Fathers of Church who returned to their Hebrew roots to understand the meaning of prayer, of feasts, and Hebrew liturgies, which were the daily food of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
    The presence in Israel of many of the best scriptures scholars and prestigious biblical schools, allows "Domus Galilaeae" to be the ideal place to promote a recovery of scriptural studies as the witness of the living presence of God.
    This will be a channel of communication, which will help Christians to deepen the roots of their faith; a place to build peace and to see God, as Patriarch Sabah said at the end of his homily as he laid the first stone:
    «“...Blessed are the pure of heart because they shall see God. To see God! Then we will see the truth of his creatures and we will see the peace of God which only in itself can be the peace of all men...Brothers and sisters, let us pray that this new house may truly be a place of encounter, where all doubts will be overcome and where the pilgrim is helped to see God and to enjoy His peace. This we wish to all those who will come to know Jesus and to make him known.»

    The meaning for “Domus Galilaeae” has been underlined several times by Kiko and Carmen. To read the Gospel in the light of tradition and of the Hebrew Liturgies- Carmen Hernandez said – helps to understand «the mystery of this people, who do not demonstrate the existence of God, but as living witnesses, proclaim his presence throughout all of history.» Immersing oneself in prayer and study in this atmosphere will be a real source of personal and theological renewal for many future presbyters and for all those who will come.
    John Paul II, very familiar with the Hebrew world, on many occasions has reiterated the need to return to our Hebrew roots in order to understand and live Christianity. Giving as well an impulse to the new evangelization, especially in his recent apostolic exhortation «Dies Domini.»


    Check in search tool for neocatechemenate.

    They can be successful because they are missionary and people are starving.
    And ignorant.

    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    Re: Neocatechumenal Way
    « Reply #2 on: August 05, 2022, 06:25:00 PM »
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  • This may be of interest:
    https://fsspx.news/en/news-events/news/pope-calls-neo-catechumenal-way-order-21294


    and this:
    The Old Form of the Neocatechumenal Mass Is Illicit | Catholic Culture

    https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=8244
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    Re: Neocatechumenal Way
    « Reply #3 on: August 05, 2022, 07:12:18 PM »
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  • Kiko Argüello’s Neocatechumenal Way, also known as the Neocatechumenate or the Neocats, is smugly and grandiosely self-styled “The Way”
    CULT FICTION - Protestant cuckoo in the Catholic nest, or what you see is most definitely not what you get.
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    "Traditional Christianism, with Baptism, First Communion, Sunday Mass, Commandments of God, was not Christianism.  It was dirt.  We were pre-Christians. (...) God called us now to found a catechumen movement turned towards rebirth (of real Christianism)."  These words are found in the Neocatechumenate Orientation Guide, a 373 page manual written by two Spaniards, Kiko Arguello, an artist and flamenco guitarist, and Carmen Hernandez, an ex-nun.  Kiko and Carmen are the founders and leaders of the Neocatechumenate Way.
    Read on .... http://www.cathud.com/RESOURCES_CATHOLIC/pages_MR/Neocatechumenal_Way_Kiko_Arguello.html
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    Re: Neocatechumenal Way
    « Reply #4 on: August 06, 2022, 07:14:44 AM »
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  • Yes, I know they are heretics. What interests me is why they work so well, and I think the key is in their community system. They have recreated the aid system of the early Christians, before the Roman government became Christianized, when no institution supported Christians and they had to support each other.

    The kikos help each other, marry each other, and practically function as a tribe apart from society. Saving the enormous distances, it's something similar to what the gypsies do, or the Chinese in (at least) Spain.

    When the Chinese come they have people who lend them money to get a business, and they will return the favor to the community when they work well and are earning money. This is how they have managed to control a large part of the businesses in the neighborhoods here.

    The gypsies, well, many of them live outside the law and society, as if they were a parallel country within the country.

    Kikos offer a community that allows them to function in a hostile society to Christian ideas. I think that is the key to its success.

    Perhaps we trads should do something similar, without falling into their heresies obviously. In the SSPX no community is created', a way of living in community apart from the anti-Christian world isn't offered.

    There is a lot of talk about going to live in the countryside to survive persecution, but in my opinion a gypsy clan in a city slum has a better chance of surviving than any Bear Grylls in the countryside, simply because they have a community that supports them.