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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Jr1991 on September 27, 2021, 03:18:18 PM
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https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/trads-slam-sspx-for-sanitizing-fetal-cell-jab
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What a world, where Church militant is in the right and the SSPX is defending the mark of the beast! (or the precursor)
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What a world, where Church militant is in the right and the SSPX is defending the mark of the beast! (or the precursor)
Well, it's to be expected given the FALLEN state of the SSPX. Beliefs and principles inform our actions. A man who believes the World is to be despised is going to make different choices, and perform different actions, than a man who wants the World to like him.
Principles matter. Today, it's an abstract belief. Tomorrow, that belief leads one to perform a concrete action. That is why having the objective Truth matters.
If you're operating on bad intel, bad information, you're bound to make all kinds of wrong moves and mistakes.
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The SSPX just showed their true colors.
They've artfully hidden their "sellout" since 2011.
A lot of internal discussion must have gone into preparing this vax announcement.
Now we officially know they are on the side of the Destroyer Pope, Francis.
The SSPX corporate hierarchy should be pressured to take the jab from a pharmacy with an independent audit of the vaccination vial serial numbers.
(Making sure they didn't get placebos). That's how much credibility the SSPX has now.
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Despicable and cowardly. Well, I won't be giving a cent to this corrupt institution. I guess my monetary offering is going to be limited to keeping my local chapel running and the alms box.
"Howl, ye shepherds, and cry: and sprinkle yourselves with ashes, ye leaders of the flock: for the days of your slaughter and your dispersion are accomplished, and you shall fall like precious vessels." - Jeremias, 25:34.
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What a world, where Church militant is in the right and the SSPX is defending the mark of the beast! (or the precursor)
...or where CM gives publicity to +BW and the Resistance.
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At least we can strike the SSPX off the short list of those we can trust in moral matters. Individual priests may disagree, but let the layman beware.
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From some of the friends that I know who are going to the Neo SSPX chapels, when they ask a priest, they will say something along the line of because of what Bergolio had said, it comes down to personal conscience; in other words, it’s ok to get it if you’re going to lose your job.
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From some of the friends that I know who are going to the Neo SSPX chapels, when they ask a priest, they will say something along the line of because of what Bergolio had said, it comes down to personal conscience; in other words, it’s ok to get it if you’re going to lose your job.
Yes, these are representative of the last couple generations of SSPX priests. Many of these are now cradle trads and have no first-hand understanding regarding the enormity of the crisis, and have slipped back into a 1950s pre-Vatican-II mindset, which is ripe for sliding right back into Vatican II. Well done, Bishop Fellay. This happened under your watch and reflects what you've been teaching in your seminaries.
I've gone to Mass and to confession from time to time to a couple of these younger priests, and I must say that I don't like them one bit ... even in terms of their spirituality. I recall one time standing in a Confession line 30 minutes, an by then it had become a very long line, before the priest even showed up ... because he was too busy socializing in the parking lot (quite literally). So he hopped into the confessional about 25 minutes before Mass and was able to go through only about half the line. Shameful. Meanwhile, my independent priest, Father Carley in Akron, and old pre-V2-ordained priest now in his mid-80s, is in the confessional an hour sharp before Mass starts even when the Church is all but empty.
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Yes, these are representative of the last couple generations of SSPX priests. Many of these are now cradle trads and have no first-hand understanding regarding the enormity of the crisis, and have slipped back into a 1950s pre-Vatican-II mindset, which is ripe for sliding right back into Vatican II. Well done, Bishop Fellay. This happened under your watch and reflects what you've been teaching in your seminaries.
I've gone to Mass and to confession from time to time to a couple of these younger priests, and I must say that I don't like them one bit ... even in terms of their spirituality. I recall one time standing in a Confession line 30 minutes, an by then it had become a very long line, before the priest even showed up ... because he was too busy socializing in the parking lot (quite literally). So he hopped into the confessional about 25 minutes before Mass and was able to go through only about half the line. Shameful. Meanwhile, my independent priest, Father Carley in Akron, and old pre-V2-ordained priest now in his mid-80s, is in the confessional an hour sharp before Mass starts even when the Church is all but empty.
That's really unfortunate to hear. It sounds really hit-or-miss with the SSPX chapels. I'm fortunate to have Fr. Dean, and lately, Nelson, at our chapel without any of that nonsense. Fr. Nelson has even been offering daily Mass the past few weeks, which is a marked change from only Saturday and Sundays where I'm at.
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From some of the friends that I know who are going to the Neo SSPX chapels, when they ask a priest, they will say something along the line of because of what Bergolio had said, it comes down to personal conscience; in other words, it’s ok to get it if you’re going to lose your job.
The laity want to know their priest has their best interest in mind, and that he has their back when the going gets tough. If they wanted someone to okay compromise, they’d be content with the novus ordo “guidance.”
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I was told by one of the SSPX priest to avoid it at all cost.
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other than that it is a classic Divide et Impera
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I was told by one of the SSPX priest to avoid it at all cost.
Yes, we've seen individual priests come out against the jab, but as a group and quasi-officially, the SSPX has been condoning it and throwing those seeking religious exemptions under the bus.
Now, Fr. Robinson's letter said religious exemptions are personal and so the priests wouldn't sign them ... because they think the jab is OK. But I have since learned that some applications for religious exemption do require a signature from some religious leader.
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Now, Fr. Robinson's letter said religious exemptions are personal and so the priests wouldn't sign them ... because they think the jab is OK. But I have since learned that some applications for religious exemption do require a signature from some religious leader.
The exemption letter from Fr. Robinson now making the rounds in the SSPX also acknowledges that the “vaccine” can be licitly received in certain circuмstances, making it, from the employers perspective, worthless (and conceding a disputed point, difficult for many faithful to use). It is therefore pretty much worthless for use with any employer sharing Gov. Hochul’s position (ie., “Even the Pope says it’s OK.”).
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The exemption letter from Fr. Robinson now making the rounds in the SSPX also acknowledges that the “vaccine” can be licitly received in certain circuмstances, making it, from the employers perspective, worthless (and conceding a disputed point, difficult for many faithful to use). It is therefore pretty much worthless for use with any employer sharing Gov. Hochul’s position (ie., “Even the Pope says it’s OK.”).
Indeed, I've already formulated what my request for a religious exemption would look like, and it would not mention being Catholic but would say that it's a "deeply held religious conviction" ... since they would throw Bergoglio at you. I you said, well, I'm a Traditional Catholic, then they could throw the SSPX right back in your face. Both the Conciliar Church and the SSPX have thrown us under the bus. There's a show on EWTN radio where they've been absolutely excoriating Bergoglio and the Conciliar hierarchy for this, calling the abortion-tainted vaccine a Satanic sacrament. They too realize that they're being thrown under the bus.
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Indeed, I've already formulated what my request for a religious exemption would look like, and it would not mention being Catholic but would say that it's a "deeply held religious conviction" ...
I've seen a few podcasts where Catholics are saying to do that. They say you don't need to specify, but just, as you said, say that it's a "deeply held religious conviction."
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Alternatively, you could forego the SSPX altogether when it comes to exemptions and join +Schneider's confraternity, which provides an exemption letter and certificate signed by +Schneider attesting to membership. That way, you avoid naysayers appealing to the Pope or weak exemptions.
https://www.livefatima.io/become-a-member/
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https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/trads-slam-sspx-for-sanitizing-fetal-cell-jab
Pushback From the Faithful
SSPX supporters in Italy told Church Militant the recent statement was evidence of a deep split between laity and many priests with the leadership of the society who were now revealing themselves as "totally compromised" and "eager to curry favor with Rome."
"Many SSPX priests are resisting the jabs and even warning their congregations to ignore the official statements from the leadership," a source close to the SSPX said.
"The SSPX Resistance in Ireland under Bp. Williamson has increased numbers as frustration grows with SSPX leadership over what some see as a lack of opposition to vaccines," an Irish source told Church Militant.
Meanwhile, traditionalists on Twitter slammed the SSPX statement as "vacillating (https://twitter.com/RobM777/status/1441888965070450690?s=20)," "pathetic (https://twitter.com/Roberttheseeker/status/1441802071750037511?s=20)," and "one that particularly lacks understanding (http://twitter.com/usquequo_domine/status/1442346025193115650?s=20) as to the evil we face by continuing to grow an evil medical tyranny through pusillanimous compliance."
Lay traditionalist Catholics are rallying around Bp. Athanasius Schneider's alert (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/interview-with-bishop-schneider/) that the vaccine "could be already in part a prefiguration" of the mark of the Beast prophesied in the biblical book of Revelation.
"But now even the body, your own body, is becoming the property of the State," Schneider said, noting that "those who are not vaccinated are in fact becoming a kind of person who has almost no equal rights compared with the others."
"The fetal industry is immoral and very grave because we are de facto collaborating with it, and especially committing a great sin of omission in failing to protest clearly and strongly, at least against the use of cell lines in the fetal industry and in vaccination," Schneider stressed.
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The SSPX has been cursed since they started granting annulments. Until they don sackcloth and ashes and formally, publicly, acknowledge the sin and abrogate all of their annulments, they will remain on their downhill trajectory to the abyss of the Novus Ordo religion, to join the other annulment purveyors on the path to hell.
St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople, Doctor of the Church:
I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think., I do not think that many priests are saved but that those that perish are far more numerous. The reason is that the office requires a great soul. For there are many things to make a priest swerve from rectitude, and he requires great vigilance on every side. Do you not perceive how many qualities a bishop must have that he may be apt to teach; patient towards the wicked, firm and faithful in teaching the Word? How many difficulties herein.
Moreover the loss of others is imputed to him. I need say no more. If but one dies without baptism, does it not entirely endanger his salvation? For the loss of one soul is so great an evil as no man can understand. If the salvation of one soul is of such importance that, for its sake, the Son of God became man and suffered so much, think of the penalty the loss of one soul will entail. (Third Homily, Acts of the Apostles)
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The SSPX has been cursed since they started granting annulments. Until they don sackcloth and ashes and formally publicly acknowledge the sin and abrogate all of their annulments, they will remain on their downhill trajectory to the abyss of the Novus Ordo religion, to join the other annulment purveyors on the path to hell.
All of the Menzingen's blunders (like this jab stance) come from the blindness put upon them by God, as a punishment for granting annulments.
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All of the Menzingen's blunders (like this jab stance) come from the blindness put upon them by God, as a punishment for granting annulments.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the SSPX doesn’t “grant annulments,” but simply renders their best judgment regarding the status of marriages for their faithful (just like we do here oftentimes on CI). It has no standing; it’s just advice from priests.
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but the SSPX doesn’t “grant annulments,” but simply renders their best judgment regarding the status of marriages for their faithful (just like we do here oftentimes on CI). It has no standing; it’s just advice from priests.
Right. One of the big issues that The Nine had with SSPX was regarding their acceptance of NO annulments. Contrary popular belief, quite a few of The Nine weren't actually sedevacantists at the time. In any case, if you're a sedevacantist, then no annulments are legitimate based on the NO findings. If you're R&R, then some may be and may not be ... and this is where they render an opinion. I believe the sedevacantists accept things which are clear-cut cases, i.e. such as when a baptized Catholic got married outside the Church, or when someone attempted remarriage when one spouse was already previously married ... things that are obvious just from fact.
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Pushback From the Faithful
SSPX supporters in Italy told Church Militant the recent statement was evidence of a deep split between laity and many priests with the leadership of the society who were now revealing themselves as "totally compromised" and "eager to curry favor with Rome."
"Many SSPX priests are resisting the jabs and even warning their congregations to ignore the official statements from the leadership," a source close to the SSPX said.
"The SSPX Resistance in Ireland under Bp. Williamson has increased numbers as frustration grows with SSPX leadership over what some see as a lack of opposition to vaccines," an Irish source told Church Militant.
I couldn't quite gather from the article whether CM agrees with the illicitness of taking the jab or whether they were just using it to go after the SSPX. Does CM agree with the assertion that the SSPX are too "eager to curry favor with Rome"? I should think not ... but that won't stop them from using it against the SSPX.
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Indeed, I've already formulated what my request for a religious exemption would look like, and it would not mention being Catholic but would say that it's a "deeply held religious conviction" ... since they would throw Bergoglio at you. I you said, well, I'm a Traditional Catholic, then they could throw the SSPX right back in your face. Both the Conciliar Church and the SSPX have thrown us under the bus. There's a show on EWTN radio where they've been absolutely excoriating Bergoglio and the Conciliar hierarchy for this, calling the abortion-tainted vaccine a Satanic sacrament. They too realize that they're being thrown under the bus.
That's a great point. I think I will draft my exemption letter the same way. Thank you!
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I couldn't quite gather from the article whether CM agrees with the illicitness of taking the jab or whether they were just using it to go after the SSPX.
Trad Patrick on twitter claimed that CM forces its employees to take the jab, so they are just going after the SSPX if he is correct.
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One of the big issues that The Nine had with SSPX was regarding their acceptance of NO annulments.
"The Nine" thought they alone were the true Church?
Canon XII.—If any one saith, that matrimonial causes do not belong to ecclesiastical judges: let him be anathema.
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Trad Patrick on twitter claimed that CM forces its employees to take the jab, so they are just going after the SSPX if he is correct.
No kidding? Seems about in line with their apparent character as a "news" entity. Creating scandal just for scandal's sake... how low.
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but the SSPX doesn’t “grant annulments,” but simply renders their best judgment regarding the status of marriages for their faithful (just like we do here oftentimes on CI). It has no standing; it’s just advice from priests.
That is what they said at the beginning years ago, but then it was revealed that they were actually granting annulments. Maybe now that they are only performing marriages with a Novus Ordo priest present, or the approval of the local ordinary, they may have stopped granting annulment, but I doubt it.
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Now, Fr. Robinson's letter said religious exemptions are personal and so the priests wouldn't sign them ... because they think the jab is OK. But I have since learned that some applications for religious exemption do require a signature from some religious leader.
Is this Father Kevin or Fr. Paul (Carl Sagan) Robinson ?
Father Kevin was way ahead of the curve in his hard core stance against the sorcery implications (MRC-5) of the vax.
The last I heard, Fr. Paul had bought Fauci’s science, hook, line and sinker.
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Is this Father Kevin or Fr. Paul (Carl Sagan) Robinson ?
Father Kevin was way ahead of the curve in his hard core stance against the sorcery implications (MRC-5) of the vax.
The last I heard, Fr. Paul had bought Fauci’s science, hook, line and sinker.
Father Kevin Robinson will be saying Mass at my mission this Sunday. I want to talk to him about the vaxx and how I am afraid that the SSPX is throwing us under the bus over this. And ask him why? Father Paul is worse than an indult priest. But I remember Father Kevin when he was our "pastor" speaking out against vaccines even before covid, and especially against organ donation. I do think Father Kevin Robinson is a good priest.
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Is this Father Kevin or Fr. Paul (Carl Sagan) Robinson ?
Father Kevin was way ahead of the curve in his hard core stance against the sorcery implications (MRC-5) of the vax.
The last I heard, Fr. Paul had bought Fauci’s science, hook, line and sinker.
He's talking about Fr. Paul "Evolution is real" Robinson
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Father Kevin Robinson will be saying Mass at my mission this Sunday. I want to talk to him about the vaxx and how I am afraid that the SSPX is throwing us under the bus over this. And ask him why? Father Paul is worse than an indult priest. But I remember Father Kevin when he was our "pastor" speaking out against vaccines even before covid, and especially against organ donation. I do think Father Kevin Robinson is a good priest.
Father Kevin Robinson is my priest. He's a good priest and was one of the first persons to call the "pandemic" a fraud. I tend to say that the reason why Fr. Kevin Robinson is "on point" is because he was trained by Bishop Williamson in the seminary.
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Father Kevin Robinson is my priest. He's a good priest and was one of the first persons to call the "pandemic" a fraud. I tend to say that the reason why Fr. Kevin Robinson is "on point" is because he was trained by Bishop Williamson in the seminary.
But...based on the religious exemption letter my priest received from him -which stated the Church recognizes abortion-tainted vaccines can be used in certain circuмstances- it would seem he backs that position.
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I want to talk to him about the vaxx and how I am afraid that the SSPX is throwing us under the bus over this. And ask him why?
This is an essential element to our imitation of Christ and His passion.
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But...based on the religious exemption letter my priest received from him -which stated the Church recognizes abortion-tainted vaccines can be used in certain circuмstances- it would seem he backs that position.
He wrote that the Church authorities have said that one may use the covid vaccines if there are very serious reasons, but then he included that sentence from dignitatis humanae that talks about not being forced to against your conscience, as an ad hominum argument. He doesn't agree with taking the vaccine at all, but he included that paragraph because your employer will most probably bring up how the Pope approves of the vaccine.
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No kidding? Seems about in line with their apparent character as a "news" entity. Creating scandal just for scandal's sake... how low.
That's wholly in line with what this Opus Dei operation would do.
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No one has pointed out that the SSPX letter only quotes the modernist Catechism, which they themselves told me what it is and that it undermines my Catholic Faith??? I’d like to write Fr. Fullerton and tell him what a mess this has become.
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No one has pointed out that the SSPX letter only quotes the modernist Catechism, which they themselves told me what it is and that it undermines my Catholic Faith??? I’d like to write Fr. Fullerton and tell him what a mess this has become.
Yes, write to him and let us know if he responds.
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He wrote that the Church authorities have said that one may use the covid vaccines if there are very serious reasons, but then he included that sentence from dignitatis humanae that talks about not being forced to against your conscience, as an ad hominum argument. He doesn't agree with taking the vaccine at all, but he included that paragraph because your employer will most probably bring up how the Pope approves of the vaccine.
Dusty,
Please ask Father Kevin Robinson to elaborate on his position for us.
It could well be he’s been pressured to conform to Menzingen’s official position.
Please also ask him to confirm another story:
“That the SSPX has been fully regularized with Rome.”
A few months back, it was posted on Cathinfo that Bp. Fellay had quietly admitted that the SSPX had been fully regularized.
This implied they had finalized it behind closed doors.
Thanks!
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No one has pointed out that the SSPX letter only quotes the modernist Catechism, which they themselves told me what it is and that it undermines my Catholic Faith??? I’d like to write Fr. Fullerton and tell him what a mess this has become.
Very good observation. Thanks. (P.S. - I have not read one word of what he wrote. What for? He is a just another blind guide.)
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He wrote that the Church authorities have said that one may use the covid vaccines if there are very serious reasons, but then he included that sentence from dignitatis humanae that talks about not being forced to against your conscience, as an ad hominum argument. He doesn't agree with taking the vaccine at all, but he included that paragraph because your employer will most probably bring up how the Pope approves of the vaccine.
Forgive my skepticism, but why is he endorsing an exemption letter which contains teachings he allegedly opposes?
According to your interpretation, his letter is arguing with itself, first articulating what he admits/alleges is Catholic teaching about allowing abortion-tainted vaccines in certain circuмstances (appoint you are in denial on), then quoting DH to say, apparently, those Catholics who object to what he just called Catholic teaching (?!?), their unCatholic, erroneous consciences must be respected.
I suspect that if I corner him, and ask whether it is ever permissible to take abortive vaccines, he will say yes.
if his position is no, he needs to chop out the portion of his letter which contradicts him.
As it stands, that letter has little value for the accomplishment of its stated purpose.
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The exemption letter from Fr. Robinson now making the rounds in the SSPX also acknowledges that the “vaccine” can be licitly received in certain circuмstances, making it, from the employers perspective, worthless (and conceding a disputed point, difficult for many faithful to use). It is therefore pretty much worthless for use with any employer sharing Gov. Hochul’s position (ie., “Even the Pope says it’s OK.”).
IMO shouldn't even call it an "exemption" letter, it's just a way to put a target on your back without actually accomplishing anything.
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The exemption letter from Fr. Robinson now making the rounds in the SSPX also acknowledges that the “vaccine” can be licitly received in certain circuмstances, making it, from the employers perspective, worthless (and conceding a disputed point, difficult for many faithful to use). It is therefore pretty much worthless for use with any employer sharing Gov. Hochul’s position (ie., “Even the Pope says it’s OK.”).
Indeed, a religious exemption letter basically saying that there are no solid religious principles behind refusing the vaccine. Utterly worthless.
"I am seeking a religious exemption based on the fact that it says here that the vaccine may be licitly received."
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Indeed, a religious exemption letter basically saying that there are no solid religious principles behind refusing the vaccine. Utterly worthless.
"I am seeking a religious exemption based on the fact that it says here that the vaccine may be licitly received."
Yep. The letter basically says you’re asking your employer for an exemption from your religion, in order to be exempt from the jab.
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WAIT... PAUL Robinson?
So it's this guy at it again...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21dwU6aK6Cc
Totally makes sense.
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WAIT... PAUL Robinson?
So it's this guy at it again...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21dwU6aK6Cc
Totally makes sense.
Yeah, there's a whole thread on it in the Ghetto
https://www.cathinfo.com/baptism-of-desire-and-feeneyism/crisis-series-31-w-fr-robinson-the-feeneyite-error-overreacting-to-moderni/
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Yeah, there's a whole thread on it in the Ghetto
https://www.cathinfo.com/baptism-of-desire-and-feeneyism/crisis-series-31-w-fr-robinson-the-feeneyite-error-overreacting-to-moderni/
Of course someone complaining about "overreacting to modernism" would push the vaccine, dishonestly represent Father Feeney, push evolution, attack the Resistance etc. This guy is just a straight-jacketed modernist on paper when you look at his positions. Whenever people talk about "theologically conservative errors" it's always characters like this who have an agenda. Latin Massism is a dangerous enabler that allows people like this fly under the radar.
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A vax thread got turned into a Feeneyite thread?
:facepalm:
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A vax thread got turned into a Feeneyite thread?
:facepalm:
:laugh1:
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Of course someone complaining about "overreacting to modernism" would push the vaccine, dishonestly represent Father Feeney, push evolution, attack the Resistance etc. This guy is just a straight-jacketed modernist on paper when you look at his positions. Whenever people talk about "theologically conservative errors" it's always characters like this who have an agenda. Latin Massism is a dangerous enabler that allows people like this fly under the radar.
That generation of post +W SSPX ordinations was puffed-up.
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What a world, where Church militant is in the right and the SSPX is defending the mark of the beast! (or the precursor)
Whoa! I don't come to CI very often. But I just viewed this topic, started on Sept. 27. I never thought I'd hear a CI member saying Church Militant is right about anything. Wasn't CI raking CM and its "fαɢɢօt" founder, Michael Voris, over the coals, just a few months ago over alleged SSPX priest scandals. You guys were calling Voris and Christine Niles every name in the book. Many of you came to the defense of priest perverts in SSPX. Some of you were not very kind to me either for bringing the matter to your attention. But I forgive you :jester:
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Holly,
You are CI’s gadfly.
Please come on the forum more often and kick us around.
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Fr. Isaac Reylea really lays into the SSPX and clergy capitulating to the shot
https://www.bitchute.com/video/D7ggHNviKuPP/