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Offline Matto

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Re: Neo SSPX SPARKS cινιℓ ωαr OVER VACCINE PASSPORTS
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2021, 07:44:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on September 28, 2021, 07:34:33 PM
    Is this Father Kevin or Fr. Paul (Carl Sagan) Robinson ?

    Father Kevin was way ahead of the curve in his hard core stance against the sorcery implications (MRC-5) of the vax.

    The last I heard, Fr. Paul had bought Fauci’s science, hook, line and sinker.
    Father Kevin Robinson will be saying Mass at my mission this Sunday. I want to talk to him about the vaxx and how I am afraid that the SSPX is throwing us under the bus over this. And ask him why? Father Paul is worse than an indult priest. But I remember Father Kevin when he was our "pastor" speaking out against vaccines even before covid, and especially against organ donation. I do think Father Kevin Robinson is a good priest.
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    Re: Neo SSPX SPARKS cινιℓ ωαr OVER VACCINE PASSPORTS
    « Reply #31 on: September 28, 2021, 07:45:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on September 28, 2021, 07:34:33 PM
    Is this Father Kevin or Fr. Paul (Carl Sagan) Robinson ?

    Father Kevin was way ahead of the curve in his hard core stance against the sorcery implications (MRC-5) of the vax.

    The last I heard, Fr. Paul had bought Fauci’s science, hook, line and sinker.
    He's talking about Fr. Paul "Evolution is real" Robinson
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    Re: Neo SSPX SPARKS cινιℓ ωαr OVER VACCINE PASSPORTS
    « Reply #32 on: September 28, 2021, 08:54:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matto on September 28, 2021, 07:44:32 PM
    Father Kevin Robinson will be saying Mass at my mission this Sunday. I want to talk to him about the vaxx and how I am afraid that the SSPX is throwing us under the bus over this. And ask him why? Father Paul is worse than an indult priest. But I remember Father Kevin when he was our "pastor" speaking out against vaccines even before covid, and especially against organ donation. I do think Father Kevin Robinson is a good priest.
    Father Kevin Robinson is my priest. He's a good priest and was one of the first persons to call the "pandemic" a fraud. I tend to say that the reason why Fr. Kevin Robinson is "on point" is because he was trained by Bishop Williamson in the seminary.
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    « Reply #33 on: September 28, 2021, 09:15:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: DustyActual on September 28, 2021, 08:54:12 PM
    Father Kevin Robinson is my priest. He's a good priest and was one of the first persons to call the "pandemic" a fraud. I tend to say that the reason why Fr. Kevin Robinson is "on point" is because he was trained by Bishop Williamson in the seminary.

    But...based on the religious exemption letter my priest received from him -which stated the Church recognizes abortion-tainted vaccines can be used in certain circuмstances- it would seem he backs that position.
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    « Reply #34 on: September 28, 2021, 09:23:28 PM »
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    I want to talk to him about the vaxx and how I am afraid that the SSPX is throwing us under the bus over this. And ask him why?



    This is an essential element to our imitation of Christ and His passion.
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    Re: Neo SSPX SPARKS cινιℓ ωαr OVER VACCINE PASSPORTS
    « Reply #35 on: September 29, 2021, 08:12:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on September 28, 2021, 09:15:34 PM
    But...based on the religious exemption letter my priest received from him -which stated the Church recognizes abortion-tainted vaccines can be used in certain circuмstances- it would seem he backs that position.
    He wrote that the Church authorities have said that one may use the covid vaccines if there are very serious reasons, but then he included that sentence from dignitatis humanae that talks about not being forced to against your conscience, as an ad hominum argument. He doesn't agree with taking the vaccine at all, but he included that paragraph because your employer will most probably bring up how the Pope approves of the vaccine.
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    Re: Neo SSPX SPARKS cινιℓ ωαr OVER VACCINE PASSPORTS
    « Reply #36 on: September 29, 2021, 08:24:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on September 28, 2021, 03:59:34 PM
    No kidding? Seems about in line with their apparent character as a "news" entity. Creating scandal just for scandal's sake... how low.
    That's wholly in line with what this Opus Dei operation would do. 
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    « Reply #37 on: September 29, 2021, 08:42:29 AM »
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    • No one has pointed out that the SSPX letter only quotes the modernist Catechism, which they themselves told me what it is and that it undermines my Catholic Faith??? I’d like to write Fr. Fullerton and tell him what a mess this has become. 
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    Re: Neo SSPX SPARKS cινιℓ ωαr OVER VACCINE PASSPORTS
    « Reply #38 on: September 29, 2021, 08:59:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: MichaelFullerSSPX on September 29, 2021, 08:42:29 AM
    No one has pointed out that the SSPX letter only quotes the modernist Catechism, which they themselves told me what it is and that it undermines my Catholic Faith??? I’d like to write Fr. Fullerton and tell him what a mess this has become.
    Yes, write to him and let us know if he responds. 
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    « Reply #39 on: September 29, 2021, 10:02:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: DustyActual on September 29, 2021, 08:12:09 AM
    He wrote that the Church authorities have said that one may use the covid vaccines if there are very serious reasons, but then he included that sentence from dignitatis humanae that talks about not being forced to against your conscience, as an ad hominum argument. He doesn't agree with taking the vaccine at all, but he included that paragraph because your employer will most probably bring up how the Pope approves of the vaccine.

    Dusty,

    Please ask Father Kevin Robinson to elaborate on his position for us.

    It could well be he’s been pressured to conform to Menzingen’s official position.

     Please also ask him to confirm another story:  

    “That the SSPX has been fully regularized with Rome.”

    A few months back, it was posted on Cathinfo that Bp. Fellay had quietly admitted that the SSPX had been fully regularized.  

    This implied they had finalized it behind closed doors.

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    Re: Neo SSPX SPARKS cινιℓ ωαr OVER VACCINE PASSPORTS
    « Reply #40 on: September 29, 2021, 10:06:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: MichaelFullerSSPX on September 29, 2021, 08:42:29 AM
    No one has pointed out that the SSPX letter only quotes the modernist Catechism, which they themselves told me what it is and that it undermines my Catholic Faith??? I’d like to write Fr. Fullerton and tell him what a mess this has become.
    Very good observation. Thanks. (P.S. - I have not read one word of what he wrote. What for? He is a just another blind guide.)
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    « Reply #41 on: September 29, 2021, 10:23:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: DustyActual on September 29, 2021, 08:12:09 AM
    He wrote that the Church authorities have said that one may use the covid vaccines if there are very serious reasons, but then he included that sentence from dignitatis humanae that talks about not being forced to against your conscience, as an ad hominum argument. He doesn't agree with taking the vaccine at all, but he included that paragraph because your employer will most probably bring up how the Pope approves of the vaccine.

    Forgive my skepticism, but why is he endorsing an exemption letter which  contains teachings he allegedly opposes?

    According to your interpretation, his letter is arguing with itself, first articulating what he admits/alleges is Catholic teaching about allowing abortion-tainted vaccines in certain circuмstances (appoint you are in denial on), then quoting DH to say, apparently, those Catholics who object to what he just called Catholic teaching (?!?), their unCatholic, erroneous consciences must be respected.

    I suspect that if I corner him, and ask whether it is ever permissible to take abortive vaccines, he will say yes.

    if his position is no, he needs to chop out the portion of his letter which contradicts him.

    As it stands, that letter has little value for the accomplishment of its stated purpose.
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    « Reply #42 on: September 30, 2021, 02:20:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on September 28, 2021, 07:14:40 AM
    The exemption letter from Fr. Robinson now making the rounds in the SSPX also acknowledges that the “vaccine” can be licitly received in certain circuмstances, making it, from the employers perspective, worthless (and conceding a disputed point, difficult for many faithful to use).  It is therefore pretty much worthless for use with any employer sharing Gov. Hochul’s position (ie., “Even the Pope says it’s OK.”).
    IMO shouldn't even call it an "exemption" letter, it's just a way to put a target on your back without actually accomplishing anything.
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    « Reply #43 on: September 30, 2021, 08:15:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on September 28, 2021, 07:14:40 AM
    The exemption letter from Fr. Robinson now making the rounds in the SSPX also acknowledges that the “vaccine” can be licitly received in certain circuмstances, making it, from the employers perspective, worthless (and conceding a disputed point, difficult for many faithful to use).  It is therefore pretty much worthless for use with any employer sharing Gov. Hochul’s position (ie., “Even the Pope says it’s OK.”).

    Indeed, a religious exemption letter basically saying that there are no solid religious principles behind refusing the vaccine.  Utterly worthless.

    "I am seeking a religious exemption based on the fact that it says here that the vaccine may be licitly received."
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    « Reply #44 on: September 30, 2021, 08:22:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on September 30, 2021, 08:15:08 AM
    Indeed, a religious exemption letter basically saying that there are no solid religious principles behind refusing the vaccine.  Utterly worthless.

    "I am seeking a religious exemption based on the fact that it says here that the vaccine may be licitly received."

    Yep.  The letter basically says you’re asking your employer for an exemption from your religion, in order to be exempt from the jab.
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