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Neo-Cath Grip on Wikipedia
« on: December 29, 2011, 10:29:57 PM »
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  • Has anyone else noticed that every article on Wikipedia regarding VCII, Post-Conciliar Popes, New Mass, ABL, SSPX, Tradition is full of slanted biased phrases and comments in support of the Neo-Cath version of all these topics?

    Their tactics are often very subtle. For instance, someone had posted a statement from Michael Davies relating a docuмented fact about the case of ABL. Some Neo-Cath adds "a defender of ABL" right after "Michael Davies" to then color everything that follows in bias. Obviously a "defender of ABL" must be a shill for the Society and can't be trusted at all.   :rolleyes:

    I'm not too familiar with how the wikipedia editing process works, but the need to get a Trad army of editors on there is dire. Or else build our own "Trad-ipedia". (Matthew, there's an idea for you.)

    Consider this statement with absolutely no footnote or authority which interprets the section of Sancrosanctum Concilium on Latin in the liturgy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_of_Paul_VI#Vernacular_language

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    While this text would seem to suggest only limited use of the vernacular language, its reference to "particular law" (as opposed to universal law) and to "the competent territorial ecclesiastical authority" (the episcopal conference) entrusted to the latter the judgment on the actual extent of its use.


    No. This is, in effect, what happened afterwards as the Vatican kowtowed to the bishops and what the revolutionary periti had planned. But that is in no way what the docuмent stated as to Latin and is in no way what the majority of Council Fathers intended.

    It stated first and foremost "the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites."

    Later it states, "Nevertheless steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them."

    and "In accordance with the centuries-old tradition of the Latin rite, the Latin language is to be retained by clerics in the divine office."

    The docuмent was signed by a majority of pre-VCII bishops with the understanding that Latin would be retained with small allowances for the vernacular here and there. It did not give carte blanche authority to any "episcopal conference" to decide to make the entire Mass vernacular. In fact, episcopal conferences have zero authority to do anything. Individual bishops are free to ignore episcopal conferences all together.

    Anyway, these are just two examples. Their article on the Mass of Paul VI is atrocious.

    Any interest in a movement to correct these fools?


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    « Reply #1 on: December 30, 2011, 09:27:07 AM »
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  • Anyone can edit a wikipedia docuмent.  I have an "account" and have edited a few entries, none relating to Catholicism, however.  This user-editing is both a strength and a weakness of wikipedia.  So one has to be careful of the information provided on wikipedia.  I believe that most topics have mostly good information there, but when it comes to subjective issues, there are many problems.  

    Reading about some basic science issue, one might find mostly acccurate information.  Though, as a scientist, I have seen unproven or debatable information published as though it were settled scientific law.  A good example is about global warming/climate change.  This is not a settled issue, contrary to what the regular media will portray.  

    Any controversial topic will contain bias on wikipedia.  There are wikipedia nαzιs who will edit and re-edit topics to suit their own biases.  Sometimes people just edit as vandalism.  One entry I fixed was about my small hometown, where someone had inserted a nasty comment about rednecks.  This article on my hometown was so small and insignificant (in comparison to the rest of wikipedia) that I cannot imagine why anyone would take the time to make insulting edits.  Honestly, I doubt that more than a few hundred people ever even read that particular article.  My hometown population is only about 300.

    As you suggest Stevus, there needs to be a group of zealous traditional Catholics to combat the bias, but it is a daunting, if not possibly futile, task.  For, wikipedia, as a product of the masses, suffers from the same secular, liberal, materialistic, worldly cancer as the rest of society today.


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    « Reply #2 on: December 30, 2011, 09:33:47 AM »
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  • Are there any moderators there? Not that that would help. I don't think the task would be too daunting if we just focused on articles regarding VCII and the NOM. The articles are not really liberal, but Neo-Cath in nature. If we target only the Neo-Cath bias, I think we can succeed.

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    « Reply #3 on: December 30, 2011, 09:46:09 AM »
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  • That's wikipedia for you. Anyone can edit it, and most of the people who do are liberal.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 30, 2011, 10:19:58 AM »
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  • I just made some much needed edits to the Mass of Paul VI.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 01, 2012, 12:39:02 AM »
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  • Try editing Wikpedia on any issue in which the ѕуηαgσgυє has a bone to pick.

    Your edit will be reverted within seconds.  I have seen edits disappear so fast it was clear that no person did them. Clearly they have bots that work to keep Satan's slant on history, religion, and even "science."

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    « Reply #6 on: January 01, 2012, 12:39:57 AM »
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  • Quote from: stevusmagnus
    I just made some much needed edits to the Mass of Paul VI.


    Are those edits still intact?

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    « Reply #7 on: January 01, 2012, 11:19:43 AM »
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  • Quote from: Diego
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    I just made some much needed edits to the Mass of Paul VI.


    Are those edits still intact?


    They surprisingly left two of them in, in essence, though they wrote a paragraph around it to minimize impact. They must have an army of Neo-Cath nerds paid by Neo-Cath answers to instantly re-edit any Traditional remark. It really is pathetic.

    For example, I quoted Trent regarding communion under both kinds. Look what some nitwit wrote in addition. If any of you can provide a source to refute this, please let me know.

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    While the Council had declared that reception of communion under one form alone deprived the communicant of no grace necessary to salvation, theologians admitted that receiving under both forms may confer a greater grace either in itself (a minority view) or only accidentally (the majority view).[22]


    They use the CE as a source...

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04175a.htm

    I should put something in there about potential spilling of the Precious Blood and a big chalice being left out for flies to drink the Precious Blood at a Papal Mass.

    Problem is I actually have a life, unlike these Neo-Cath nerds, and after Christmas break I won't have the time to constantly re-edit their crap.

    Also there is apparently no authority to appeal to if your addition is re-edited. Though that's probably a good thing as any authority would be biased.

    Therefore it may be a good idea to get a Trad-Pedia started. Perhaps someone with a lot of free time and computer skill could get us started.


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    « Reply #8 on: January 01, 2012, 11:26:58 AM »
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  • The problem with communion under both kinds is that the article completely ignores the context under which the Church forbade the practice. I put in a line about this, but it was deleted. I didn't have time to quote a source so that's probably why. The context is very important and hinted at at Trent.

    The Protestant heretics of the time used communion under both kinds as one of their rallying cries, along with their numerous heresies. They, of course, denied transubstantiation and were just as Hell bent as the older heretics in denying that Christ was truly present blood, body, soul, and divinity in the Host alone. Plus they wanted to emphasize the Eucharist as a meal. And at a meal you have food and drink.

    Fast forward to today. Not only do the Prots still believe this heresy, so do most NO Catholics!! Therefore, if the reasons for the prohibition were valid then, they are even MORE valid now.

    Instead the wiki-nerds completely disregard this context and treat it as a purely theological matter. They even go so far as to say one gets more grace receiving under both kinds and that theologians support this view. This is ridiculous as one is receiving Our Lord just as much under one kind as both.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 01, 2012, 11:31:01 AM »
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  • Here is the CE section:

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    It only remains to add that in this opinion the reception of the chalice may augment, per accidens, the grace of the sacrament, by securing a longer continuance of the species and thereby of the Real Presence, and by helping to prolong or renew the fervent dispositions of the recipient.


    Caminus could probably wax poetic on this. Caminus, you should edit this section.

    The idiots are citing this and giving the impression reception under both kinds better. In reality the ONLY reason it would apparently be "better" is that receiving both may extend the presence in the body for a few minutes? Someone care to explain?