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NC priest retreats, we lose
« on: June 07, 2017, 05:10:23 PM »
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  • I typed up a post on this matter.  I don't typically promote the blog on this forum these days, but I am upset at this development, and I feel we should all be aware of this phenomenon.  

    I recommend, though, that you go to the original post in order to see the proper formatting and have access to the links.  

    http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2017/06/catholic-priest-retreats-gives-way-to.html

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    Catholic Priest Retreats, Gives Way to Modernist Advancement

    A few other ideas I had for the title of this post were:

    • How To Lose A Cultural War
    • What Happens When Pretending There Is No War
    • Luciferian Modernist Advancement Continue, Catholics Lose Again

    I spoke in April about how a Father Christopher Riehl had accepted the duty of performing Catholic missionary work in  North Carolina, bringing true Catholicism to the confused people of his parish under the benevolent leadership of Bishop Peter Jugis.  But guess what?  The Baby Boomers win again!  

    The Charlotte Observer has recently reported that Fr. Riehl of St. John the Evangelist parish complains of being "worn out or burned out," and that he's taking a sabbatical.  

    How brave.  

    A group calling itself Appalachian Catholics in the Smoky Mountain Region said in a statement earlier this year that Riehl and some other conservative priests assigned by Jugis to small parishes in the mountains “seem to be more intent on taking the church back to pre-Vatican ll days rather than minister to the people. They seem to be steeped in doctrine and theology, but are unwilling to participate in ecuмenical activities, and are lacking in compassion, love and mercy. They are doing the job of the theologian, but not the job of the pastor. This is directly opposed to what Pope Francis and Vatican II are teaching us.”

    Well yaaay for the Appalachian Catholics in the Smoky Mountains!  What a victory they can now celebrate!  The triumphalist has been expunged, and the precious, silver-haired faithful can continue worshipping Christ in the manner they see fit, without any real demands made of them.  

    Of course, Riehl is claiming that his leaving isn't prompted by anything other than his need to take some time away from parish ministry.  However, the Diocese of Charlotte has stated that they don't think Fr. Riehl will be assigned anywhere in that diocese again.  

    You will have FrancisChurch.  

    Of course, this Baby Boomer victory is to the detriment of younger Catholics who crave for some kind of a link to the Church's past.  The Baby Boomers are doing whatever they can to ensure that all past associations to the Church of Christendom is wiped clean, sterilized, unrecognizable, and similar in most ways to Protestant worship.  

    I find it peculiar how, even here in Tulsa, the Baby Boomers breathed a sigh of relief to see that Bishop Slattery--who was a friend to Traditional Catholicism--finally retired from the diocese.  To this day, I still hear from the elderly Boomers that they're glad he's gone, and that they hope the "modern reforms" will become in vogue once more.  

    Catholicism will continue to lose, so long as priests and laity continue to retreat in a war they do not even realize is being waged against them.  The current environment in Trad Land is one in which different people make compromises, betray one another, animosities grow, and various people pensively keep their heads down in "defense mode" while various ridiculous things sprout up here and there.  So as long as this remains the pervading environment, we will continue to see defeat after defeat, routs, abdications, embarrassments, ostracization, overthrown strongholds, and effeminate weakness.  

    In order to make the gains necessary to actually win in this cultural war, priests and laity must accept that they will have to sacrifice their comfort and reputations.  They will have to suffer financially.  They will have to accept ridicule in the media.  They will have to accept the pressure of hundreds if not thousands of dissenting, hateful voices screaming at them.  

    If Catholics cannot take this kind of abuse, then we lose.  
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    Offline Emitte Lucem Tuam

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    Re: NC priest retreats, we lose
    « Reply #1 on: June 07, 2017, 06:28:52 PM »
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  • The entire State of North Carolina is an absolute parched desert when it comes to Traditional Catholicism.  ALL "traditional" Latin Masses within the State are under the strict control of the Novus Ordo diocese or under the two pitiful SSPX chapels that are "full-on" Fellay.  I live in Winston-Salem and it's a very sad state of affairs in NC.  


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    Re: NC priest retreats, we lose
    « Reply #2 on: June 07, 2017, 11:42:59 PM »
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  • The entire State of North Carolina is an absolute parched desert when it comes to Traditional Catholicism.  ALL "traditional" Latin Masses within the State are under the strict control of the Novus Ordo diocese or under the two pitiful SSPX chapels that are "full-on" Fellay.  I live in Winston-Salem and it's a very sad state of affairs in NC.  
    Is there an Eastern rite church in your area?  I have a friend whose son gave up on the SSPX and attends a Maronite chapel.  I do not know where he lives in NC, but he drives a considerable distance, hence goes once per month.  More places than not are Trad. wastelands since the SSPX lost her first love.  There are ever increasing numbers of involuntary home-aloners across the US and Canada.

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    Re: NC priest retreats, we lose
    « Reply #3 on: June 08, 2017, 02:00:15 AM »
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  • Yes, when you visit the Smoky Mountains area, the Baptist, Methods all have their "primitive" services and no Latin Mass for us.  Their hostile actions towards the priest are not welcoming or Christian at all. God is going to punish them for persecuting a holy priest.  These baby boomers remained silent when there were pedophiles. It is the baby boomers who give standing ovation during Mass for sodomists.  Women are running the show. They don't want the Latin Mass because women won't be able 
    To be priestesses on the altar. 
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    Re: NC priest retreats, we lose
    « Reply #4 on: June 08, 2017, 02:33:49 AM »
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  • Laramie hirsch, yes it is baby boomers that is the problem. They want their hippy music during Mass.  They really want to be like Protestants.  
    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: NC priest retreats, we lose
    « Reply #5 on: June 08, 2017, 04:25:02 AM »
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  • Laramie hirsch, yes it is baby boomers that is the problem. They want their hippy music during Mass.  They really want to be like Protestants.  
    It HAS to be baby boomers - there is hardly anyone else in the Novus Ordo. Or at least that's how it seemed last time I looked. 
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    Re: NC priest retreats, we lose
    « Reply #6 on: June 08, 2017, 05:22:57 AM »
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  • This sounds like a spat in the Conciliar sect.  So much for bringing "true Catholicism" to the people.

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    Re: NC priest retreats, we lose
    « Reply #7 on: June 08, 2017, 06:13:51 AM »
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  • I live in Eastern NC. It is a sad wasteland. 


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    Re: NC priest retreats, we lose
    « Reply #8 on: June 08, 2017, 11:07:37 AM »
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  • I typed up a post on this matter.  I don't typically promote the blog on this forum these days, but I am upset at this development, and I feel we should all be aware of this phenomenon.  

    I recommend, though, that you go to the original post in order to see the proper formatting and have access to the links.  

    http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2017/06/catholic-priest-retreats-gives-way-to.html

    * * * *

    Catholic Priest Retreats, Gives Way to Modernist Advancement

    A few other ideas I had for the title of this post were:

    • How To Lose A Cultural War
    • What Happens When Pretending There Is No War
    • Luciferian Modernist Advancement Continue, Catholics Lose Again

    I spoke in April about how a Father Christopher Riehl had accepted the duty of performing Catholic missionary work in  North Carolina, bringing true Catholicism to the confused people of his parish under the benevolent leadership of Bishop Peter Jugis.  But guess what?  The Baby Boomers win again!  

    The Charlotte Observer has recently reported that Fr. Riehl of St. John the Evangelist parish complains of being "worn out or burned out," and that he's taking a sabbatical.  

    How brave.  

    A group calling itself Appalachian Catholics in the Smoky Mountain Region said in a statement earlier this year that Riehl and some other conservative priests assigned by Jugis to small parishes in the mountains “seem to be more intent on taking the church back to pre-Vatican ll days rather than minister to the people. They seem to be steeped in doctrine and theology, but are unwilling to participate in ecuмenical activities, and are lacking in compassion, love and mercy. They are doing the job of the theologian, but not the job of the pastor. This is directly opposed to what Pope Francis and Vatican II are teaching us.”

    Well yaaay for the Appalachian Catholics in the Smoky Mountains!  What a victory they can now celebrate!  The triumphalist has been expunged, and the precious, silver-haired faithful can continue worshipping Christ in the manner they see fit, without any real demands made of them.  

    Of course, Riehl is claiming that his leaving isn't prompted by anything other than his need to take some time away from parish ministry.  However, the Diocese of Charlotte has stated that they don't think Fr. Riehl will be assigned anywhere in that diocese again.  

    You will have FrancisChurch.  

    Of course, this Baby Boomer victory is to the detriment of younger Catholics who crave for some kind of a link to the Church's past.  The Baby Boomers are doing whatever they can to ensure that all past associations to the Church of Christendom is wiped clean, sterilized, unrecognizable, and similar in most ways to Protestant worship.  

    I find it peculiar how, even here in Tulsa, the Baby Boomers breathed a sigh of relief to see that Bishop Slattery--who was a friend to Traditional Catholicism--finally retired from the diocese.  To this day, I still hear from the elderly Boomers that they're glad he's gone, and that they hope the "modern reforms" will become in vogue once more.  

    Catholicism will continue to lose, so long as priests and laity continue to retreat in a war they do not even realize is being waged against them.  The current environment in Trad Land is one in which different people make compromises, betray one another, animosities grow, and various people pensively keep their heads down in "defense mode" while various ridiculous things sprout up here and there.  So as long as this remains the pervading environment, we will continue to see defeat after defeat, routs, abdications, embarrassments, ostracization, overthrown strongholds, and effeminate weakness.  

    In order to make the gains necessary to actually win in this cultural war, priests and laity must accept that they will have to sacrifice their comfort and reputations.  They will have to suffer financially.  They will have to accept ridicule in the media.  They will have to accept the pressure of hundreds if not thousands of dissenting, hateful voices screaming at them.  

    If Catholics cannot take this kind of abuse, then we lose.  

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    "If Catholics cannot take this kind of abuse, then we lose."

    That's easy to say, when we don't face that sort of abuse ourselves. Fr. Riehl took that abuse for quite awhile, it seems. At some point he made the decision that he needed to get out for awhile and take a sabbatical. 

    As Bishop Williamson has said, it would be a mistake to think that there's no Faith left in the conciliar church. We can see for ourselves that there is Faith left, but that those who hold to it are persecuted. I'll offer prayers for Fr. Riehl. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: NC priest retreats, we lose
    « Reply #9 on: June 08, 2017, 01:54:23 PM »
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  • The entire State of North Carolina is an absolute parched desert when it comes to Traditional Catholicism.  ALL "traditional" Latin Masses within the State are under the strict control of the Novus Ordo diocese or under the two pitiful SSPX chapels that are "full-on" Fellay.  I live in Winston-Salem and it's a very sad state of affairs in NC.  
    Makes more sense now why Hank 'The Bible Answer Man' Hanegraaff chose Greek Orthodox over Roman Catholic, the local church there is NOT an example of Catholicsm.

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    Re: NC priest retreats, we lose
    « Reply #10 on: June 10, 2017, 06:18:43 AM »
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  • Laramie hirsch, yes it is baby boomers that is the problem. They want their hippy music during Mass.  They really want to be like Protestants.  
    Actually it is the younger people who I see at the TLM. 


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    Re: NC priest retreats, we lose
    « Reply #11 on: June 10, 2017, 12:35:45 PM »
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  • Actually it is the younger people who I see at the TLM.
    This is one of the 5 correct things you've ever said. It is absolutely true that the average attendance at the TLM is mostly younger people - especially in France. It's creating an effect there where soon, there will be more SSPX priests than diocesan ones.
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    Re: NC priest retreats, we lose
    « Reply #12 on: June 10, 2017, 01:46:15 PM »
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  • The Trads of NC need to pray to Fr. Price, co-founder of Maryknoll.  (Maryknoll used to be good and exemplary. They have had genuine martyrs.)  Fr. Price was born in NC and spent years as a missionary there.  His stated intent was to make NC Catholic.  Short bio below - but good, early books about Maryknoll are worth the reading to know more about Fr. Price, as well as the order.

     
    https://maryknollsociety.org/about/maryknoll-history/founders/#1464805511225-6bdab0bf-1568



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    Re: NC priest retreats, we lose
    « Reply #13 on: June 11, 2017, 01:00:04 AM »
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  • This is one of the 5 correct things you've ever said. It is absolutely true that the average attendance at the TLM is mostly younger people - especially in France. It's creating an effect there where soon, there will be more SSPX priests than diocesan ones.
    There is anecdotal evidence where that is already the situation. I hear that in some communities the SSPX community has mass every Sunday and they have the people who support them while the diocesan priest goes out to the same area maybe once a month. 

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    Re: NC priest retreats, we lose
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    Laramie hirsch, yes it is baby boomers that is the problem. They want their hippy music during Mass.  They really want to be like Protestants.  

    It HAS to be baby boomers - there is hardly anyone else in the Novus Ordo. Or at least that's how it seemed last time I looked.
    A baby boomer is someone born between 1946 and 1964, that would be today a person 53 to 71. I do not think the baby boomers have anything to do with the Novus Ordo, for 95% of them do not go to mass at all. The die hard Novus Ordos are
    1) Women in charge of something, ANYTHING.
    2) Feelings oriented men (effeminate men)  in charge of something (very few men are feelings oriented)
    Of these above they are all older, 50 on up to 80's.  

    The majority of the people just go to mass because they have no other choice or for their children, they are indifferent to the whole matter, they "punch in their cards" on Sundays and go home. In Europe scarcely 4% of Catholics go to mass.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24