Author Topic: CAF Defends Girl Altar Boys (Read 4467 times)

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #45 on:** September 15, 2011, 09:20:02 AM »

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Do CAF'ers not believe in respect for any Pope pre- John XXIII?

Apparently not. Oh, but I'll bet anyone there who posts quotes from John Paul II is regarded by the mods as being just wonderful. I sense a double standard.

Blackie · « **Reply #46 on:** September 15, 2011, 09:33:46 AM »

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Ah, how nice to see another modernist from CAF come running over to cut down the Trads (sarcasm).

Blackie, you won't find any welcome here if you intend to defend a forum that is so against Tradition. I used to post at CAF and know how it is there. I was banned by Eric Hilbert for "contempting Catholicism" and "refusal to follow moderator directions". Funny thing is, all I did was state my opinion, then kindly ask why I was given an infraction. Then the mod made up a lie about me, putting words in my mouth and banning m thirty minutes later. That place is an absolute joke.

If you say so.

We'll see how it goes.

I'm not here to defend CAF, but I have modded Catholic forums elsewhere and I know how it goes.

I disagree with those of you who allege CAF bans all trads as that is demonstrably untrue.

I don't know your own case (or any of your cases at CAF) but in my mod experience elsewhere all I have seen on here so far is the same kind of stuff that I saw from rude or anti-Catholic members who I had to deal with as a mod. That's just how it goes. I imagine there may even be some folks who have given the mods/admins here similar grief.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #47 on:** September 15, 2011, 09:37:39 AM »

What Catholic forums have you modded elsewhere?

What you see here is a forum with a free flow of ideas where anything can be discussed rationally based on the merits without fear of being insta-banned over some cryptic violation of an ambiguous rule.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #48 on:** September 15, 2011, 09:37:43 AM »

CAF DOES ban any and all Trads that speak the truth. The rule there that you cannot criticize Vatican II is a load of hogwash. Basically they try to force Trads there to compromise their Faith and accept heresy or be banned. Casey's ban of Stevus was bogus, as was Hilbert's banning of me. They were dishonest and they know it.

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all I have seen on here so far is the same kind of stuff that I saw from rude or anti-Catholic members who I had to deal with as a mod.

Are you comparing CatholicInfo to anti-Catholic members of other forums? I suggest you read this forum's rules before posting, because you're way out of line.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #49 on:** September 15, 2011, 09:39:10 AM »

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Are you comparing CatholicInfo to anti-Catholic members of other forums? I suggest you read this forum's rules before posting, because you're way out of line.

Oh, the irony...

Blackie · « **Reply #50 on:** September 15, 2011, 09:50:05 AM »

SM, c'mon, don't flatter yourself or give way to paranoia.

I definitely didn't join here to worry about you. The thread caught my eye and so did your remarks.

You guys seem to think everyone is out to get you.

Not so. Whatever you do is on you, and though I might have hoped for a different outcome, that's just the way it goes, and I can accept that.

Oh and I can say that I have a very great deal of respect for many of the Popes pre-even Pius X and even after. Benedict XV was excellent, and so was Pius IX

Innocent XII was also a great pontiff who exemplified the Chair of St. Peter IMO.

There are a lot more.

Blackie · « **Reply #51 on:** September 15, 2011, 09:54:25 AM »

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What Catholic forums have you modded elsewhere?

What you see here is a forum with a free flow of ideas where anything can be discussed rationally based on the merits without fear of being insta-banned over some cryptic violation of an ambiguous rule.

That's none of your business sir.

I haven't seen anything that ever gave me the impression that CI here is not what you say. My issue thus far is with some of your remarks...not CI as a forum.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #52 on:** September 15, 2011, 09:58:09 AM »

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SM, c'mon, don't flatter yourself or give way to paranoia.

He's giving in to paranoia when he says he was unjustly banned? Right...

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You guys seem to think everyone is out to get you.

Catholic Answers has made it quite clear that you can't speak out against any of the modernism spreading around today or you will be banned. They live in a fantasy world where they think the Church has never been better and "Hey, if the Pope says it then it must be true!". You always obey God before you obey the Pope.

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Not so. Whatever you do is on you, and though I might have hoped for a different outcome, that's just the way it goes, and I can accept that.

We did nothing wrong. We stated the truth and were banned for it.

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Oh and I can say that I have a very great deal of respect for many of the Popes pre-even Pius X and even after. Benedict XV was excellent, and so was Pius IX

If you like Pius X, surely you're aware of his encyclical "Pascendi Dominici Gregis" where he speaks out against modernism. The Novus Ordo Catholics push that to the side as if it never happened, because to admit that encyclical is true they'd have to in turn admit Vatican II was a sham! Instead the Novus Ordites listen to encyclicals from the Vatican II Popes that say there's truth in all religions and all that rubbish that contradicts Church teaching before Vatican II. The truth NEVER changes.

Blackie · « **Reply #53 on:** September 15, 2011, 10:06:49 AM »

[/quote]Are you comparing CatholicInfo to anti-Catholic members of other forums? I suggest you read this forum's rules before posting, because you're way out of line.[/quote]That's your story and I have no way to verify it one way or the other. However, CAF is not SSPX (like this forum) so I'm glad you guys have found a forum where you can be happy.

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all I have seen on here so far is the same kind of stuff that I saw from rude or anti-Catholic members who I had to deal with as a mod.Not at all. (And I have read the forum rules...) CI bears no resemblance to anything anti-Catholic I have seen.

However, it has been my own observation that some of the remarks made about mods on CAF parallel those made to me and other mods in dealing with both anti-Catholics we have been forced to discipline and rude or inappropriate posters in general. It seems that no one likes it when a mod intervenes. Oh well...

Heck, just this week I had a guy who caught a simple warning for derailing a thread and he went off on me in about 3 or 4 private messages so I banned him. It wasn't a big deal to me or I'd have nailed him, but he just went crazy, so I had no choice. I felt kinda bad about it, but he was wrong and belligerent, so...

Don't read things into my posts that I haven't said. I say what I mean. [/size]

Blackie · « **Reply #54 on:** September 15, 2011, 10:11:54 AM »

That's your story and I have no way to verify it one way or the other. However, CAF is not SSPX (like this forum) so I'm glad you guys have found a forum where you can be happy.

Not at all. (And I have read the forum rules...) CI bears no resemblance to anything anti-Catholic I have seen.

However, it has been my own observation that some of the remarks made about mods on CAF parallel those made to me and other mods in dealing with both anti-Catholics we have been forced to discipline and rude or inappropriate posters in general. It seems that no one likes it when a mod intervenes. Oh well...

Heck, just this week I had a guy who caught a simple warning for derailing a thread and he went off on me in about 3 or 4 private messages so I banned him. It wasn't a big deal to me or I'd have nailed him, but he just went crazy, so I had no choice. I felt kinda bad about it, but he was wrong and belligerent, so...

Don't read things into my posts that I haven't said. I say what I mean.

Blackie · « **Reply #55 on:** September 15, 2011, 10:31:53 AM »

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He's giving in to paranoia when he says he was unjustly banned? Right...

No genius...he's alleging that I came looking for him. totally untrue.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #56 on:** September 15, 2011, 12:42:42 PM »

Typical. Another self-affirming non-response from another CAF mod. They not once addressed the arguments and evidence I presented in any of my appeals. What a joke of a forum.

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Sir—

This response indicates that Thomas Casey was correct to close your account and I uphold his decision. Please do not re-register. Thank you.

Therese Martin
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stevusmagnus · « **Reply #57 on:** September 15, 2011, 12:51:23 PM »

My response:

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Another self-affirming non-response. Neither you nor Mr. Casey even bothered to address the arguments and evidence I presented in any of my appeals. As I've said before, your mind is made up in that you will ban or sanction any Traditionalist at any point you so desire for any reason. The "rules" he cited were not violated and I clearly demonstrated in all of my appeals that no rules were violated.

If you want to ban posters arbitarily, that's fine. But at least be honest about it. Don't present the facade that you are merely enforcing the rules when you are, in fact, using the "rules" as a pretext to ban whoever disagrees with you too strongly.

In order to suspend me for my comment on illicit masses, you would have to also suspend the Catholic Answers apologist who agreed that violations of the rubrics make masses illicit. To ban me for quoting a pope, to be consistent, you'd have to ban anyone who quotes popes!

I have yet to hear one straight answer as to how posting a hyperlink and quote from a soveriegn pontiff is against "the rules". PLEASE explain that one to me, I'd love to hear it.

You, Mr. Casey, and your forum are all pitiable and a very sorry excuse for a Catholic Forum. You are drones of the Vatican II sect and revel in the changing of our religion into that of Neo-Catholicism. You will do anything possible to maintain the status quo even though the tide is turning and even the current Pope is more conducive to Tradition than is your ilk.

Have a good one.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #58 on:** September 15, 2011, 03:27:27 PM »

Blackie, Thomas Casey, and all those other Novus Ordties have something in common. They all avoid addressing your points. I asked Blackie about Pius X's encyclical and no response about that.

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However, it has been my own observation that some of the remarks made about mods on CAF parallel those made to me and other mods in dealing with both anti-Catholics we have been forced to discipline and rude or inappropriate posters in general.

No genius, there is a huge difference. The anti-Catholics you speak of obviously were cutting down Catholicism. We, on the other hand, only took up for Tradition and were banned. Interesting how people there who contradict Church doctrine and accuse the SSPX of being schismatic and believing Pius X was the last Pope aren't even corrected by mods. Oh, but anyone who quotes a pre-Vatican II Pope and/or upholds Tradition is banned. It's pointless for that forum to have a Traditional section if they don't let any of their members be Traditional! It would be like a non-Catholic opening a non-Catholic forum, creating a section for Catholics and saying "Catholics can post here but can't cut down any other religions or present Catholicism as truth". That would mean any Catholic who posts there would have to compromise their Faith to stay. Same thing with CAF. If you're Traditional, you must compromise your position or be banned. It is completely absurd and unfair.

Caraffa · « **Reply #59 on:** September 16, 2011, 11:13:17 PM »

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God picked a woman to do the most magnificent work that any human being has ever done - bring God himself into creation as man.

Mary is the mother of Jesus and as the Eucharist is Jesus, Mary serves at the altar at every Mass, making Jesus Christ - grace himself - sacramentally present in time and space.

Whether you like it or not, you are never going to remove that one female altar server. You can put all the boys in the world up there at the altar and make every woman go 1000 miles away, and Mary is there, making Christ present, as she has always done and as she always will do.

There may be valid liturgical, theological and disciplinary reason to not want female altar servers, but a female is there and there isn't a thing anyone can do about it.

-Tim-

The idea that "Mary serves at the altar at every Mass" and hence the view that Our Lady is present in Eucharist was condemned by Cardinal Prospero Lambertini (later Benedict XIV) as scandalous and erroneous. It is what those who follow the Palmar de Troya anti-popes believe. This also suggests a confusion in categories, the Mass is a re-enactment of Calvary, not Christ's Incarnation.