Author Topic: Name That Cleric (Read 2599 times)

Caminus · « **Reply #10 on:** February 20, 2010, 07:22:52 PM »

I can't find the book anywhere online in english. Where did you get that translation Jamie?

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #11 on:** February 20, 2010, 07:38:15 PM »

Caminus · « **Reply #12 on:** February 20, 2010, 08:05:20 PM »

I don't think he was intending to deny the dogma of the real presence. In fact, he affirmed it at one point. Rather, he was laboring at another point, strained though it may have been. You see, the problem with these men is that they have abandoned Scholasticism, traditional formula, piety, etc. and set out to put the teachings of faith into modern ways of expression. This has been their stated goal from day one. And the works they cite are examples of just how bad this endeavor can be.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 20, 2010, 10:00:54 PM »

Caminus said:

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I don't think he was intending to deny the dogma of the real presence. In fact, he affirmed it at one point. Rather, he was laboring at another point, strained though it may have been

That's Modernism 101. They say heresy, and the next day they are orthodox. Then it's back to heresy, and so on and so forth. This leads to a kind of cycle of abuse, a form of Stockholm Syndrome among Catholics, that you can clearly see among the victims of SSPX at AngelQueen. One moment they're bewailing Ratzinger's appointment of Levada to head the CDF, or they're mocking his ludicrous existential-New-Age-pseudo-Catholic blather, and then the next they're praying for the Holy Father to save the Church. They're in deep denial.

Pascendi Domenici Gregis:

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"Further, none is more skilful, none more astute than they, in the employment of a thousand noxious arts; for they [ Modernists ] double the parts of rationalist and Catholic and this so craftily that they easily lead the unwary into error; and since audacity is their chief characteristic, there is no conclusion of any kind from which they shrink or which they do not thrust forward with pertinacity and assurance."

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2010, 10:08:10 PM »

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I don't think he was intending to deny the dogma of the real presence. In fact, he affirmed it at one point. Rather, he was laboring at another point, strained though it may have been. You see, the problem with these men is that they have abandoned Scholasticism, traditional formula, piety, etc. and set out to put the teachings of faith into modern ways of expression. This has been their stated goal from day one. And the works they cite are examples of just how bad this endeavor can be.

I will grant you this particular point (ON THIS PARTICULAR QUOTE though there are many other heretical quotes by the man which cannot be denied by the intellectually honest) that I am not sure if you are correct. I hope to know more later.

Piux X speaks of modernist who sound Catholic one moment and are heretical the next. Ratzinger fits the modernist perfectly and the same holds for JP2. It is as if Pius X saw into the future. He condemns them almost verbatim though he had not read or heard what they said.