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Offline Mithrandylan

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« on: April 16, 2014, 12:20:37 AM »
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  • I'm not sure if this has been posted yet:

    “In honor of the Blessed Trinity, for the exaltation of the Catholic Faith and the growth of Christian life, with the authority of Our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul and Our Own, after lengthy reflection, having assiduously invoked God's assistance and taken into account the opinion of many brothers of ours in the episcopate, we declare and define [name] to be a saint [or "to be blessed"], and we enroll him in the Catalogue of the saints, and we establish that in the whole Church he should be devoutly honored among the saints. In the name ofthe Father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.”

    http://www.dioslc.org/images/tribunal/THE%20PROCESS%20OF%20CANONIZATION%20OF%20SAINTS.pdf

    It's actually a very nice prayer.

    But how can anyone say that this isn't an act of the extraordinary magisterium, much less deny that it would fall under the ordinary magisterium?  It's all there: declaring, defining, with God's assistance (and "our own" along with the ecclesia docens) on behalf of the whole Church... it's wrapped in shiny paper with a pretty bow on top.

    I can only imagine that arguments to the effect of "the modernists don't mean it [when they canonize]" can only be made by those who aren't aware of what they actually DO when they canonize.  They mean it.  
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).


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    « Reply #1 on: April 16, 2014, 12:55:21 AM »
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  • Thanks for posting this Mith. I wonder if Francis will deviate from this.


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    « Reply #2 on: April 16, 2014, 08:20:19 AM »
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    Thanks for posting this Mith. I wonder if Francis will deviate from this.


    I don't know whether he'll deviate from the formula, but you can bet that he'll stop to pose for "selfies" and generally behave like a buffoon.
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine

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    « Reply #3 on: April 16, 2014, 08:54:09 AM »
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    having assiduously invoked God's assistance and taken into account the opinion of many brothers of ours in the episcopate


    Disputing this part seems to be what the SSPX is focusing on to deny the infallibility of the canonizations.  They're claiming that the canonizations are not infallible because the Novus Ordo hierarchs have short-circuited the process.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 16, 2014, 09:25:19 AM »
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    I'm not sure if this has been posted yet:

    “In honor of the Blessed Trinity, for the exaltation of the Catholic Faith and the growth of Christian life, with the authority of Our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul and Our Own, after lengthy reflection, having assiduously invoked God's assistance and taken into account the opinion of many brothers of ours in the episcopate, we declare and define [name] to be a saint [or "to be blessed"], and we enroll him in the Catalogue of the saints, and we establish that in the whole Church he should be devoutly honored among the saints. In the name ofthe Father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.”

    http://www.dioslc.org/images/tribunal/THE%20PROCESS%20OF%20CANONIZATION%20OF%20SAINTS.pdf

    It's actually a very nice prayer.

    But how can anyone say that this isn't an act of the extraordinary magisterium, much less deny that it would fall under the ordinary magisterium?  It's all there: declaring, defining, with God's assistance (and "our own" along with the ecclesia docens) on behalf of the whole Church... it's wrapped in shiny paper with a pretty bow on top.

    I can only imagine that arguments to the effect of "the modernists don't mean it [when they canonize]" can only be made by those who aren't aware of what they actually DO when they canonize.  They mean it.  


    There can be no disputing that if this formula was used by a true pope in a canonization, that it would most certainly meet the requirements.  

    The canonization of Escriva would have been certainly true and infallible if John Paul II was a pope.  

    John Paul II in his public act of canonizing Josemaría Escrivá de Balaguer stated:

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    Therefore, today, in a solemn Mass in St. Peter's Square, before an immense multitude of the faithful, We have pronounced the following formula: In honor of the Blessed and Undivided Trinity, for the uplifting of Catholic faith and the increase of Christian life, by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ and that of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul and our own, after careful deliberation, having called frequently upon God's help, and with the advice of many of our brother Bishops, We declare and define Blessed Josemaría Escrivá de Balaguer to be a Saint, and We inscribe his name in the catalogue of the Saints, ordaining that, throughout the universal Church, he be devoutly honored among the Saints. In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

    And what We have declared, We desire to be in force both now and in the future, anything to the contrary notwithstanding.

    Given at Rome, at Saint Peter's, the sixth day of October, in the two thousand and second year of our Lord, of our Pontificate the twenty-fourth.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic


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    « Reply #5 on: April 16, 2014, 11:58:50 AM »
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  • Wait, are you sure this isn't the pre-Vatican 2 formula? I'd read that not only the procedure, obviously, but even the official pronouncement was substantially changed. Can anyone post the two in comparison?

    I can't see how this can be, because what's posted above certainly looks infallible to me. The collegiality argument Ladislaus mentions is also worth considering, but beside that, I remember reading in the CE that the only object of infallibility in the judgment, the only pronouncement infallibly made is that the person concerned is in heaven.

    If that is the case, and if it really is inarguable that this is an infallible act, which are two big ifs, then all it would mean is that the person is now in heaven.
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 16, 2014, 03:07:29 PM »
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  • Ok, I just checked it for myself, and also reread the CE article on traditional canonizations, and all three parts of Fr. Gleize's article on Conciliar canonizations. The former says,

    Quote from: Catholic Encyclopedia
    What is the object of this infallible judgment of the pope? Does he define that the person canonized is in heaven or only that he has practiced Christian virtues in an heroic degree? I have never seen this question discussed; my own opinion is that nothing else is defined than that the person canonized is in heaven.


    So I stand by that. But as for this,

    Quote from: Mithrandylan, citing conciliar canonization decree
    “In honor of the Blessed Trinity, for the exaltation of the Catholic Faith and the growth of Christian life, with the authority of Our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul and Our Own, after lengthy reflection, having assiduously invoked God's assistance and taken into account the opinion of many brothers of ours in the episcopate, we declare and define [name] to be a saint [or "to be blessed"], and we enroll him in the Catalogue of the saints, and we establish that in the whole Church he should be devoutly honored among the saints. In the name ofthe Father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.”


    Quote from: Ambrose, citing canonization decree of Josemaria Escriva
    Therefore, today, in a solemn Mass in St. Peter's Square, before an immense multitude of the faithful, We have pronounced the following formula: In honor of the Blessed and Undivided Trinity, for the uplifting of Catholic faith and the increase of Christian life, by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ and that of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul and our own, after careful deliberation, having called frequently upon God's help, and with the advice of many of our brother Bishops, We declare and define Blessed Josemaría Escrivá de Balaguer to be a Saint, and We inscribe his name in the catalogue of the Saints, ordaining that, throughout the universal Church, he be devoutly honored among the Saints. In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

    And what We have declared, We desire to be in force both now and in the future, anything to the contrary notwithstanding.

    Given at Rome, at Saint Peter's, the sixth day of October, in the two thousand and second year of our Lord, of our Pontificate the twenty-fourth.


    I have tossed it over in my head again and again, and I can't find any way out of saying this is not infallible. If someone else can, please help me out.

    I'm very dissatisfied now with the latter article, it gave three reasons, all of which seem dubious in the light of the above. I can't make any sense of saying that these statements are not infallible, so I'm going with indeed infallible, but nothing else is defined other than that the person is in heaven.

    Someone can please help me out by showing either why this act is not infallible or how some defect in the process affects the final declaration. Yet even the suggestion of that doesn't sit well with me, because the CE and all traditional theologians teach the opposite, that no matter how weak a Pope is or how deficient his study and investigation, the final judgment he pronounces, if he uses the appropriate language, is protected by the Holy Spirit.

    Is there proof that anything more is defined in an act of canonization than that the person concerned is in heaven?
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 16, 2014, 03:09:04 PM »
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  • Anyone who claims "the process changed" is just ignorant.  The process has changed throughout the history of the Church.  It doesn't change the infallibility of the Church naming a Saint.  It's just a convenient excuse to ignore the upcoming disaster and apostasy.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    « Reply #8 on: April 16, 2014, 03:14:49 PM »
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    Wait, are you sure this isn't the pre-Vatican 2 formula? I'd read that not only the procedure, obviously, but even the official pronouncement was substantially changed. Can anyone post the two in comparison?

    I can't see how this can be, because what's posted above certainly looks infallible to me. The collegiality argument Ladislaus mentions is also worth considering, but beside that, I remember reading in the CE that the only object of infallibility in the judgment, the only pronouncement infallibly made is that the person concerned is in heaven.

    If that is the case, and if it really is inarguable that this is an infallible act, which are two big ifs, then all it would mean is that the person is now in heaven.


    Even if it is "just" that they are in Heaven.  Do you believe that JPII, a public heretic/apostate, is in Heaven?  His public actions required public repentance.

    That didn't happen.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #9 on: April 16, 2014, 03:21:10 PM »
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    Anyone who claims "the process changed" is just ignorant.  The process has changed throughout the history of the Church.  It doesn't change the infallibility of the Church naming a Saint.  It's just a convenient excuse to ignore the upcoming disaster and apostasy.


    The problem is that "processes" have never been the object of infallibility.  "Declarations", "Laws", and "Rites" are the objects of infallibility.  A true pope can establish any "process" for deciding whether or not to make an infallible "declaration" he wishes.  A true pope would be prevented from using even a flawed "process" to make a flawed "declaration".

    If I am wrong on this, please point out the theologians through the centuries, the Ecuмenical Council declarations, and/or the papal encyclicals, bulls, etc., that say that papal declarations are fallible when the pope establishes a different procedure for coming to the decision to make a declaration.  I don't think you'll find any.

    The canonizations in the Conciliar sect are infallible only if the Conciliar popes are popes of the Catholic Church.  Not only that, if the Conciliar popes are popes of the Catholic Church, then their canonizations are infallible declarations regardless of the process they chose to come to those declarations.

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    « Reply #10 on: April 16, 2014, 03:25:22 PM »
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    Anyone who claims "the process changed" is just ignorant.  The process has changed throughout the history of the Church.  It doesn't change the infallibility of the Church naming a Saint.  It's just a convenient excuse to ignore the upcoming disaster and apostasy.


    The problem is that "processes" have never been the object of infallibility.  "Declarations", "Laws", and "Rites" are the objects of infallibility.  A true pope can establish any "process" for deciding whether or not to make an infallible "declaration" he wishes.  A true pope would be prevented from using even a flawed "process" to make a flawed "declaration".

    If I am wrong on this, please point out the theologians through the centuries, the Ecuмenical Council declarations, and/or the papal encyclicals, bulls, etc., that say that papal declarations are fallible when the pope establishes a different procedure for coming to the decision to make a declaration.  I don't think you'll find any.

    The canonizations in the Conciliar sect are infallible only if the Conciliar popes are popes of the Catholic Church.  Not only that, if the Conciliar popes are popes of the Catholic Church, then their canonizations are infallible declarations regardless of the process they chose to come to those declarations.


    I agree with you.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    « Reply #11 on: April 16, 2014, 05:45:20 PM »
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    Ok, I just checked it for myself, and also reread the CE article on traditional canonizations, and all three parts of Fr. Gleize's article on Conciliar canonizations. The former says,

    Quote from: Catholic Encyclopedia
    What is the object of this infallible judgment of the pope? Does he define that the person canonized is in heaven or only that he has practiced Christian virtues in an heroic degree? I have never seen this question discussed; my own opinion is that nothing else is defined than that the person canonized is in heaven.


    So I stand by that. But as for this,

    Quote from: Mithrandylan, citing conciliar canonization decree
    “In honor of the Blessed Trinity, for the exaltation of the Catholic Faith and the growth of Christian life, with the authority of Our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul and Our Own, after lengthy reflection, having assiduously invoked God's assistance and taken into account the opinion of many brothers of ours in the episcopate, we declare and define [name] to be a saint [or "to be blessed"], and we enroll him in the Catalogue of the saints, and we establish that in the whole Church he should be devoutly honored among the saints. In the name ofthe Father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.”


    Quote from: Ambrose, citing canonization decree of Josemaria Escriva
    Therefore, today, in a solemn Mass in St. Peter's Square, before an immense multitude of the faithful, We have pronounced the following formula: In honor of the Blessed and Undivided Trinity, for the uplifting of Catholic faith and the increase of Christian life, by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ and that of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul and our own, after careful deliberation, having called frequently upon God's help, and with the advice of many of our brother Bishops, We declare and define Blessed Josemaría Escrivá de Balaguer to be a Saint, and We inscribe his name in the catalogue of the Saints, ordaining that, throughout the universal Church, he be devoutly honored among the Saints. In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

    And what We have declared, We desire to be in force both now and in the future, anything to the contrary notwithstanding.

    Given at Rome, at Saint Peter's, the sixth day of October, in the two thousand and second year of our Lord, of our Pontificate the twenty-fourth.


    I have tossed it over in my head again and again, and I can't find any way out of saying this is not infallible. If someone else can, please help me out.

    I'm very dissatisfied now with the latter article, it gave three reasons, all of which seem dubious in the light of the above. I can't make any sense of saying that these statements are not infallible, so I'm going with indeed infallible, but nothing else is defined other than that the person is in heaven.

    Someone can please help me out by showing either why this act is not infallible or how some defect in the process affects the final declaration. Yet even the suggestion of that doesn't sit well with me, because the CE and all traditional theologians teach the opposite, that no matter how weak a Pope is or how deficient his study and investigation, the final judgment he pronounces, if he uses the appropriate language, is protected by the Holy Spirit.

    Is there proof that anything more is defined in an act of canonization than that the person concerned is in heaven?


    Nishant,

    I have read the CE article you linked to a few times.  I cannot prove this, but I've always suspected that the part you quoted was inserted by an editor at New Advent, not that it was part of the original article.  They do edit and revise the articles there.  

    In any event, it can be seen through the custom of the Church that the infallible declaration is not merely that the person is in Heaven; but it is an explicit approval of veneration toward their cult, and moreover a declaration that they exhibited heroic virtue.

    If it was "merely" a declaration they were in Heaven, that would certainly make things easier for the non-sedevacantists, as they could honestly say "who am I to say JPII is in Hell?  I don't have window into his soul at the moment of death."  There is a remote chance that any given person is in Heaven, after all.  

    But the custom of the Church has only been to canonize those with heroic virtue, and to never canonize someone who maintains even a modicuм of doubt-- a terrific example of this would be Thomas a Kempis, renowned author of "Imitation of Christ" who, upon being exhumed, was found to have actually been buried alive and having woke up, intensely scratched the inside of his coffin.  Now, to me that seems a perfectly reasonable reaction to being buried alive, but to the Church in her wisdom, it was apparent that it is, however unlikely and uncomfortably, possible that he doubted in his last moments.  Then there are cases of Early Churchmen like Tertullian or Origen who were very much instrumental and influential patriarchs, and very orthodox men for most of their lives (the former having formally clung to heresy, the latter not, though taught unorthodoxy).

    And here we have JPII, who, for all intents and purposes, did not serve the Catholic Church at all.  One would probably have to go back to some unknown theological dissertation while he was in seminary to even have a CHANCE of finding an actual contribution of him towards the Catholic faith.  And even then, I don't like the chances.

    Point being, the custom of the Church has NEVER been to canonize a person "on the offchance" that they "MIGHT" be in Heaven.  And of course, this is only relevant if we delegate the object of infallibility to the fact of their being in Heaven-- which I reject, for the aforementioned reasons that the clearly established custom of the Church is to only canonize those with heroic virtue, and without any reasonable doubt to their election.

    And of course, canonizations touch the liturgical discipline of the Church, in which She is infallible inasmuch as she can never recommend or approve for veneration that which is not worthy of it.  

    And of course, all of these comments are beside the fact that, as you remark, the formula itself makes it abundantly clear what is intended, and as I believe you have again correctly remarked, this is an act of the solemn magisterium-- of course, supposing that a true pope was the one performing the canonization.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #12 on: April 16, 2014, 10:56:50 PM »
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  • Thanks for the answers. There's a lot to think about here, Mith, for now, I'll just ask, do you have any source that explicitly states heroic virtue of the candidate is an object of Papal infallibility in the formula of canonization?

    I looked up briefly an online scan of the CE article since you raised the possibility of it being the product of later editing, it's the same as the New Advent version. The second para below is relevant for us.

    Quote from: CE
    There is no question of heroic virtue in this formula; on the other hand, sanctity does not necessarily imply the exercise of heroic virtue, since one who had not hitherto practised heroic virtue would, by the one transient heroic act in which he yielded up his life for Christ, have justly deserved to be considered a saint. This view seems all the more certain if we reflect that all the arguments of theologians for papal infallibility in the canonization of saints are based on the fact that on such occasions the popes believe and assert that the decision which they publish is infallible (Pesch, Prael. Dogm., I, 552).

    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

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    « Reply #13 on: April 16, 2014, 11:59:17 PM »
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  • Nishant,

    Thank you for the scan.

    To your question: I do not have a source which states "one of the infallible objects of canonizations is the heroic virtue of the canonized."

    However, aside from the inalienable custom of the Church to only canonize those who can be said to have expressed heroic virtue (I truly believe this, and I challenge anyone to come up with a single pre-conciliar canonization showing contrariwise) I can provide some sources which imply it, necessarily I would say.

    Quote from: Mgr. Can. E. Myers, M.A., "The Teaching of the Catholic Church Vol 2", ed. Can. George Smith, D.D., Ph.D., Macmillan Press 1950, p685


    In venerating the Saints of God and especially the Mother of God, we give them due honour because of the supernatural excellence we recognise in them as derived from God himself through the merits of Jesus Christ.  It is therefore to the honour and glory of God that is ultimately directed all the veneration paid to his servants.  Strictly speaking a like honour might be paid to saints men and women while they are still living on this earth.  It is, however, the custom of the Church not to venerate the just until she has declared by infallible decree that they are in definitive enjoyment of their eternal reward in Heaven.  (Emphasis added)


    Quote from: Ibid. p713


    In the same connection [as with dogmatic facts] the Church exercises her infallibility in the solemn canonisation of saints.  For it is unthinkable that the lives of those whom the Church upholds as models of heroic sanctity should be other than she declares them to be. (Emphasis added)


    Also:

    Quote from: Mgr. G. Van Noort, S.T.D., "Dogmatic Theology Vol 2 Christ's Church", trans. Castelot & Murphy, Newman Press 1957 p118


    [Proof of the infallibility of Canonizations:]

    2. From the purpose of infallibility.  The Church is infallible so that it may be a trustworthy teacher of the Christian religion and of the Christian way of life.  But it would not be such if it could err in the canonization of saints.  Would not religion be sullied if a person in hell were, by a definitive decree, offered to everyone as an object of religious veneration?  Would not the moral law be at least weakened to some extent, if a protege of the devil could be irrevocably set up as a model of virtue for all to imitate and for all to invoke?   (Bold added, italics in original)


    Essentially, we have to remember the purpose of canonizations, at least viz. the Church militant.  The canonized are such in order that we may honor and venerate them, and learn from their example-- the canonized are not simply a "roster" of saints for a trophy case, but participate fully in the life of the liturgical Church, and are often incorporated into her teaching (e.g. St. Thomas, but this applies to many other saints especially if we consider sermons given on living a virtuous life).  To have a saint (or saints, as it were) who are categorized (only by traditionalists, of course) as merely "being in Heaven" (and at that, on an off chance-- no traditional Catholic thinks it's likely that JPII is in Heaven; it's hardly what they'd call a "no brainer", in fact it might properly be called a miracle!) rather than a model of emulation and an efficacious intercessor is entirely contrary to the purpose of canonizations.  And also, because the glory we give the saints is really glory given to God (see especially that first quote), we cannot give glory to one who does not give glory to God.  Did JPII give glory to God?  

    ETA: Also, notice that the first quote presupposes heroic virtue in a putative saint.  They appear to be, according to these sources and the immemorial practice of the Church, inseparable.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #14 on: April 17, 2014, 02:02:18 AM »
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    But the custom of the Church has only been to canonize those with heroic virtue, and to never canonize someone who maintains even a modicuм of doubt-- a terrific example of this would be Thomas a Kempis, renowned author of "Imitation of Christ" who, upon being exhumed, was found to have actually been buried alive and having woke up, intensely scratched the inside of his coffin.  Now, to me that seems a perfectly reasonable reaction to being buried alive, but to the Church in her wisdom, it was apparent that it is, however unlikely and uncomfortably, possible that he doubted in his last moments.  Then there are cases of Early Churchmen like Tertullian or Origen who were very much instrumental and influential patriarchs, and very orthodox men for most of their lives (the former having formally clung to heresy, the latter not, though taught unorthodoxy).



    Are there any relevant docuмents supporting the theory that Thomas a Kempis was buried alive? As far as I know, the official cause for halting the process was that the saintly Canon of St. Augustine was neither a martyr nor performed any (known) miracles.
    But surely he is seen as a saint by many people, especially amongst the Augustinian Canons who hold his relics in highest veneration.
    If you are a theologian, you truly pray, and if you truly pray, you are a theologian. - Evagrius Ponticus