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Online Viva Cristo Rey

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My observations of Latin Mass parish within diocese
« on: September 06, 2016, 06:46:33 AM »
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  • For some the local Latin Mass parish is more like a place for Catholics with large families to form a clique.  How can anyone attend Latin Mass and yet The rest of the week the women and teenage girls dress in jeans and tanks. They will mantilla for Latin Mass and yet on visit to a shrine won't wear mantillas.   Christian rock bands aren't traditional.  Dressing like hippies isn't traditional.

    I would never had guessed that these families even attended Latin Mass. I was shocked.
    Are trads afraid to be trads in public?  

    When in public, we should be proud to be Catholics.   We should pray the rosary and sing Catholic songs instead of worrying about offending the Protestants.  Anti Catholicism exists where we are from.   And sad to say, much anti Catholicism comes from local sodomist friendly novus ordo.

    What a strange situation.  If this the future of Catholicism, we are in trouble.

    I'm thinking about talking to the pastor.  Should I?  

    When we hold public rosaries the two faced back biting green eyed novus ordo
    Tries to force the twice Vatican Banned Divine Mercy chaplet.  And yet they don't know it.
    I don't being forced to pray something I don't feel comfortable with.  No more being polite.  

    There novus ordo priests who are wearing hillary buttons and drive cars with Obama stickers.  There are novus ordo priests who are openly pro gαy and pro abortion.









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    Offline TKGS

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    « Reply #1 on: September 06, 2016, 07:33:58 AM »
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    I'm thinking about talking to the pastor.  Should I?  


    Through your whole post, you answer your own question.

    What you should do is escape from the Conciliar church.  Find a true traditional chapel and a truly, certainly ordained Catholic priest.  Stop pretending that the Conciliar church--even those "Traditional Mass Apostolates"--is Catholic.

    The only question worth asking is, will you?

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    My observations of Latin Mass parish within diocese
    « Reply #2 on: September 06, 2016, 07:40:04 AM »
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  • I have never understood the apparent schizophrenia of so-called "Traditional Catholics" who behave as you describe, however, I have seen it happen at both the S.S.P.X and C.M.R.I.

    I will give the S.S.P.X credit, though -- this hypocricy seems to much less of a problem at their chapels (at least the ones I've attended) than at the C.M.R.I. chapel. I guess even "Trads" are susceptible to the temptation of "Sunday only Catholicism" and find it much easier to just "fit in" and not be "weird" (or even merely inconvenienced) the rest of the week.

    I'm not sure from your post whether you are attending a diocesan "indult" when you say "Latin Mass parish within diocese". But I would not be surprised at all to hear that this is an even bigger problem in indult parishes where the faithful are living cheek-by-jowl with full-blown Novus Ordinarians, who are likely receiving invalid sacraments (since unless it's an old priest, all will have been "ordained" by questionably valid N.O. bishops), and who are by their attendance at the indult acknowledging the legitimacy of the Novus Ordo and treat the True Faith as a sort of "high church flavour" within the N.O. tent. Under such circuмstances it's actually a shock that anyone attending the indult keeps the faith.

    If you attend indult I don't see what good bringing it up with the priest will do. He probably thinks this is perfectly fine. Even if not indult, it depends on the priest. Some priests get upset if they feel the laity are criticizing them. Some are open to such discussion. Some will be friendly while you speak to them but forget what you said within moments.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 06, 2016, 04:02:57 PM »
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    For some the local Latin Mass parish is more like a place for Catholics with large families to form a clique. How can anyone attend Latin Mass and yet The rest of the week the women and teenage girls dress in jeans and tanks.


    These are my exact observations as well. Parishioners there are basically Novus Ordinarians who just happen to have large families and rather attend the Latin Mass (as a simple option among many). It is basically the same Novus Ordite crowd just not contracepting and beign a tiny bit more social conservative. There is zero doctrinal resistance to the conciliar Church nor the repulsive Modernism which emanates from it. Most are lukewarm and worldly. They live completely secular lives during the week and in Sunday they give the appearance of living the Faith, although I have also seen gross immodesty and poor Church protocol even during the Mass.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #4 on: September 08, 2016, 04:28:53 PM »
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  • I live within four miles of a diocesan TLM, but drive significantly further every Sunday to go to an independent non-sedevacantist chapel instead.

    I don’t drive further to the independent chapel because I am worried that I would lose the faith at the indult chapel. I think that I could go to the indult chapel without losing the faith. I drive to the independent chapel because when there are dogmas of the faith that are being almost universally undermined, the obligation to profess the faith publicly increases. Religion is not merely a private affair. Whether I could keep the faith or not at a diocesan chapel is completely irrelevant. Having the virtue of faith will profit a man nothing if he doesn’t profess the faith publicly when circuмstances oblige him to do so. No indult association publicly professes this dogma:
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    If anyone says that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church, accustomed to be used in the administration of the sacraments, may be despised or omitted by the ministers without sin and at their pleasure, or may be changed by any pastor of the churches, whomsoever, to other new ones, let him be anathema.
    Council of Trent, Session VII, On the Sacraments, Canon 13


    The crimes of Pope Francis and the bishops are public. The heresies they teach in their sermons and in their writings, the heresies they promote by their actions, and the widespread grave moral evils they give their approval of by their omissions, all put the spiritual welfare of millions of souls in danger. The faith needs to be publicly professed for the sake of the countless souls that have been scandalized by the false doctrines of the Novus Ordo bishops and priests. The laymen in the Novus Ordo are, for the most part, blind followers of the blind.  They are on the way to eternal damnation. Their only chance of salvation is to come across traditional Catholics who have the charity to tell them the truth. The diocesan TLM’s are permitted to exist on the condition that the diocesan priests do not publicly resist the heresies of the Novus Ordo church. They breed a spirit of compromise, cowardice, and indifference.

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    « Reply #5 on: September 08, 2016, 11:44:44 PM »
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    For some the local Latin Mass parish is more like a place for Catholics with large families to form a clique.  How can anyone attend Latin Mass and yet The rest of the week the women and teenage girls dress in jeans and tanks. They will mantilla for Latin Mass and yet on visit to a shrine won't wear mantillas.   Christian rock bands aren't traditional.  Dressing like hippies isn't traditional.

    I would never had guessed that these families even attended Latin Mass. I was shocked.
    Are trads afraid to be trads in public?  

    When in public, we should be proud to be Catholics.   We should pray the rosary and sing Catholic songs instead of worrying about offending the Protestants.  Anti Catholicism exists where we are from.   And sad to say, much anti Catholicism comes from local sodomist friendly novus ordo.

    What a strange situation.  If this the future of Catholicism, we are in trouble.

    I'm thinking about talking to the pastor.  Should I?  

    When we hold public rosaries the two faced back biting green eyed novus ordo
    Tries to force the twice Vatican Banned Divine Mercy chaplet.  And yet they don't know it.
    I don't being forced to pray something I don't feel comfortable with.  No more being polite.  

    There novus ordo priests who are wearing hillary buttons and drive cars with Obama stickers.  There are novus ordo priests who are openly pro gαy and pro abortion.


    Most of the diocesan "TLMs" that I have attended have either been old liberal priests pissed off that they were being imposed upon to do the TLM, or young fαɢɢօt prietenders as giddy as if they were acting in a community play.  The last diocesan "TLM" that I attended had a real priest who did the Mass well.  But his modernism bled out in his sermons.  Thus, I found an independent chapel.  Even leaving a much better diocesan "TLM" parish than what you describe, I am very happy that I decided to do so.  If all of those things you said about the priests are specifically about the priests at your parish, talking will do no good.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 13, 2016, 03:52:17 PM »
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    No more being polite.  


    This. We need to take back our church.  :boxer:

    Our diocesan indult Latin Mass is a wasteland.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 15, 2016, 07:16:32 AM »
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  • The Priest there was really holy.  He gave a good sermon but there were some distraction from the laity.  

    Also, even during novus ordo days, I never wore pants to Mass or flip flops.  

    It was an emergency visit.  We missed our usual Mass. Also, we have to think of the future
    In case one of us dies.  I have seen many traditional Catholics get a novus ordo mess circus.  
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