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Offline Jehanne

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My correspondence with Traditio.
« on: May 31, 2014, 05:13:02 PM »
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  • They may be priests but they are also jerks:

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    On Sat, 31 May 2014 17:01:45 -0500, <csm@traditio.com> wrote:

    > It was so kind of you to write the Fathers and for being such an avid  
    > reader of TRADITIO.  It is the dedication of you and over 21,000,000  
    > other readers that has made the TRADITIO Traditional Roman Catholic  
    > Network the most read of all traditional Roman Catholic sites.  Thank  
    > you for reading and publicizing the site, so that the traditional Roman  
    > Catholic message can reach even more readers.
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    > provide answers to persons who are sincerely seeking information about  
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    > their Commentaries.  So, they have asked me to screen out those messages  
    > that violate the protocols published in the "Ask the Fathers" department.
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    > Since you have decided not to conform to those protocols, future  
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    Your commentary stated the following:

    Fr. Calmel affirmed that it is precisely in virtue of obedience that it is necessary to refuse every compromise with the liturgical revolution: "The infallibility of the pope is limited; therefore, our obedience is limited," indicating the principle of the subordination of obedience to Truth, of authority to Sacred Tradition. Fr. Calmel drew attention in the history of the Church to the cases of Saints who were opposed to the false authority of popes who were schismatics and heretics, such as St. Athanasius, St. Thomas a Becket, and St. Joan of Arc. Three days before the invalid "New Mess" was to replace the Traditional Latin Mass in the Newchurch of the New Order, Fr. Calmel publicly refused, proclaiming:

    I'll give you a few days to correct your error; if not, then I'll post it to CathInfo:

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    Blessings to you in our Lord Jesus Christ,

    Don

    On Sat, 31 May 2014 11:57:57 -0500, <csm@traditio.com> wrote:

    > On Sat, 31 May 2014, csm@traditio.com wrote:
    >> Subject:  A historical correction not needed.
    >> THE TRADITIO FATHERS REPLY>>> You misread the sentence in
    >> question. Read it more carefully. The "who" clause, without commas, is
    >> a restrictive relative clause, not a non-restrictive relative clause as
    >> you have incorrectly read it. Pull out your English grammar and study
    >> the section on relative clauses and their punctuation.
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    >>> On Sat, 31 May 2014, "Me" (my email address deleted) wrote:
    >>> Subject:  A historical correction...
    >>>
    >>> which you probably won't make:
    >>> Saint Joan of Arc did not oppose the authority of any Pope; that
    >>> claim is simply false. (Reference to your May 29, 2014 commentary.)




    Offline Pete Vere

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    My correspondence with Traditio.
    « Reply #1 on: May 31, 2014, 05:40:04 PM »
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    They may be priests


    Priests PLURAL or priests SINGULAR.

    If they are priests, then it should be a matter of public ecclesiastical record who their identity is and who ordained them priests. I would start with Fr M.E. Morrison.


    Offline Ladislaus

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    « Reply #2 on: May 31, 2014, 06:35:31 PM »
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  • Traditio Fathers = one priest.

    He always talks about himself in the plural.

    And when you said they (aka he) MAY be priests, may is the operative word; he traces his orders through one of the dubious Old Catholic lineages.

    Offline Capt McQuigg

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    « Reply #3 on: June 01, 2014, 06:24:30 AM »
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  • Traditio is always a fun read and they entertain the reader.  

    It was in  Traditio that I first read of Archbishop Weakland.  

    Same for Cardinal Mahoney.

    And dozens of other novus ordo/renunciation of Our Lord-type clerics.

    As for the validity of the Holy Orders, does anyone actually seek out Fr. Morrison for the sacraments?

    Offline Jehanne

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    « Reply #4 on: June 01, 2014, 08:22:03 AM »
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  • Priest or no priest; he's dishonest.  If someone points out a clear historical error (or, any other error, for that matter), then he should fix it.  Not the first time, by the way, that I have emailed Traditio, asking for corrections to articles which they have made, and of course, they have refused to make them.


    Offline Emitte Lucem Tuam

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    « Reply #5 on: June 02, 2014, 06:19:16 PM »
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    Priest or no priest; he's dishonest.  If someone points out a clear historical error (or, any other error, for that matter), then he should fix it.  Not the first time, by the way, that I have emailed Traditio, asking for corrections to articles which they have made, and of course, they have refused to make them.


    I see Traditio's "Daily Commentaries" as the "National Enquirer" tabloid of Catholic news.  Don't take everything they write as gospel.  You have to sift out the good from the "sensational" to get to the meat of the matter in their articles.  I, myself, enjoy reading Traditio's Daily Commentaries- I just have to turn up my "Sensus Catholicus" when perusing their stories.  The rest of their website is awesome on the other hand.  Their traditional Divine Office, their Traditional Catholic Directory is spot on.  "Daily Commentaries" is a small part of their overall website and ministry.  I wouldn't dismiss Traditio completely just because you had a bad experience with Father.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 04, 2014, 01:25:57 PM »
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  • With all due respect, most "traditionalists" I've contacted are off the wall. I think everybody's under a lot of pressure, and the priests want to "fight", they seem really angry, but this is a monumental David v. Goliath battle and they have few resources, and seem to be using resources in a backwards fashion (intellect rather than praying, etc.). I have contacted Traditio before too because they/he have/has written to avoid all indults because they're all invalid. This may be MOSTLY true, but our local indult is of a really old priest who was ordained in the old rite, so as far as I know there is real Eucharist in his mass, even though the missal is '62 and I avoid the site. The importance of noting this is that these priests might be more sanely RECRUITED rather than AVOIDED and ATTACKED. I have noticed that trads have been less interested in coalition building and more interested in succuмbing to dividing ourselves so that we may be further conquered by the enemy.

    The same goes for NovusOrdoWatch and some of these others. I suggested that instead of their "Novus Ogre" award, maybe they could give out an award to a traditionalist/sedevacantist who has been serving the Church well, and this idea was attacked as "sinful". Yet any military rewards its soldiers for duties well performed, and we are the "Church Militant". Another word for traditionalist is "reactionary", and without a pope (I'm sedevacantist) there has been a lot of "over-reaction" going on. One must have understanding given the state of affairs of the Church, but I've instinctively had to withdraw from conversing with these different groups because there is a wall built up against constructive criticism.

    Also keep in mind some one of these peoples could be controlled opposition, not even "on our side", a wolf in sheep's clothing.

    Offline Sneakyticks

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    « Reply #7 on: June 04, 2014, 03:25:28 PM »
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  • Quote from: pickoverthecliff
    The same goes for NovusOrdoWatch and some of these others. I suggested that instead of their "Novus Ogre" award, maybe they could give out an award to a traditionalist/sedevacantist who has been serving the Church well, and this idea was attacked as "sinful".


    Could you show any picture of the actual email to see if this really is the case?

    I would be surprised to see them say something like that. They generally tend to excuse false traditionalists and refuse to denounce them for the heretics and brazen liars that they are.


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #8 on: June 04, 2014, 03:26:54 PM »
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    Traditio has made its own reputation.  Whoever it is that runs it ("Fr. Morrison?") has always refused the smallest correction.  You're considered an ENEMY if you inform him of his typos, and even worse if you try to help correct his errors of fact.  He's not interested in the truth, to put it bluntly.  

    He practices the same Modernism that he criticizes.  

    If you think the site has great info on it then you ought to copy it all because there will likely come a day when it's not there, anymore.  This is the Internet, you know.

    He claims having had 21 million readers.  That's a stupid lie, because you can most simply see that every time you enter the site, the counter goes up by one.  If you, a single reader, visit the site 3 times a day for a year, he then claims to have a thousand readers because of your 'hits', but it's just you (one reader) going there 1,000 times.  Some readers have visited many thousands of times, others just once or twice, and everything in between.  So you could easily reduce his 21 million figure by 1,000 times, making it 21,000 readers.  And many of them are very possibly non-Catholics, who are getting a pretty sour impression of what Catholicism is all about:  misspelling, bad grammar, historical inaccuracy, ill manners, calumny, detraction, hate-speech, presumption of authority and pugnacious pompous pride.  Are they going to be attracted to the Faith by that?  I hardly think so.  

    Who has ever converted to the Catholic Church by reading Traditio?  You can be SURE that if it had happened, "The Fathers" would have been parading it around like a medal of honor.  But 'they' have not a whimper to evoke.  Nor do 'they' provide the Sacraments as priests are supposed to do.  How could "they" have time to hear confessions or visit the sick when 'they're' answering thousands of msgs every day?  Answer:  'they' couldn't.

    If he were honest, he'd say 21 million VIEWS, but he NEVER says that, nor does he acknowledge the point.  He ignores it.  He keeps saying "readers."  So he has an inflated ego, and no regard for objective truth when it's inconvenient for his agenda.  IOW, he is a Modernist.  


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    Priest or no priest; he's dishonest. If someone points out a clear historical error (or, any other error, for that matter), then he should fix it. Not the first time, by the way, that I have emailed Traditio, asking for corrections to articles which they have made, and of course, they have refused to make them.



    Jehanne, you've been wasting your effort trying to impress him.   He won't be corrected and he wants nothing to do with precision or truth.  He is addicted to posting articles, replete with typos, errors of fact and bad grammar, all the while
    pretending to be doing you some kind of favor.  You have to LET HIM GO.

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    « Reply #9 on: June 04, 2014, 03:27:38 PM »
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  • And yes the Traditio "Father" is a real stubborn and obstinate ****

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    « Reply #10 on: June 04, 2014, 04:02:23 PM »
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  • Father Morrison hasn't run that website for years now. It was given over to someone else. You can clearly see the difference in writing style when it happened, too.

    He used to refer to himself as "Fr. Moderator." Notice how it says, "The fathers," now.

    I liked Fr. Morrison when he wrote it. Don't remember/know if that was his real name or not, but I enjoyed when I asked him questions and he answered me extremely politely back when. I don't even have any of them, and I wish I had, so I could share them here.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,


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    « Reply #11 on: June 04, 2014, 06:13:58 PM »
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    What good is served by a prominent website like Traditio being run by mystery people?  

    Since when does the Church have a recognized resource with zero accountability?

    What is the name of this new priest or priests?  (We don't even know how many there are!  It's a mystery of quantity and quality!)

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