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Offline Jovita

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« on: January 07, 2017, 09:23:18 AM »
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  • I feel at times like a time traveler thrust into a future that is just totally foreign from what I know is real. My Catholic parents abandoned the church after the great apostasy. As a teen, I embarked on my journey in search of God.

    Archbishop Lefebvre's letter to confused Catholics I believe was written to me. But I read that only a short time ago. After my long journey,  and finding the sole, merciful priest locally, I am safely ensconced in an Eastern Catholic Church (officially transferred).

    But I believe I am called to pester the local Roman-rite ordinary.

    I have infiltrated my local NO parish. Gotten to know the people. They know my story. Except that I have a history with their priest. He was the impetus that drove me away from the Roman-rite. It was the fact that he, along with most, if not all, priests in this diocese are against restoring tradition and once they find out you are a 'Trad' you are ignored.

    My hopes are of confronting him in front of his parishioners, who are trad-minded folk who believe tradition was done away with. I am there to educate them, to demand a return of tradition. My meeting is the 10th.

    Ora pro me.


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    « Reply #1 on: January 07, 2017, 09:56:28 AM »
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  • Your heart is in the right place Jovita. But, I think you are wasting your time. Your time would be better spent doing your daily duty, praying the rosary, and daily sacrifices. The vast majority of the people in the novus ordo are quite happy with it as are the laymen who call themselves "priests." Other people much better equipped have tried to do what you desire to do and have come to the above conclusion after much wasted effort and time.


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    « Reply #2 on: January 07, 2017, 11:21:04 AM »
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  • I agree with nctradcath, it is not only a waste of time, you are potentially putting yourself in a dangerous situation.

    It reminds me of a poster on FE a long time ago saying he knew of a trad who entered a NO seminary in order to fight the battle from within the conciliar establishment. There is simply no way any young man will go through a NO seminary and not come out NO.

    The moral of the story is; it is always best to avoid the situation you are walking into.

    In 1946, Father Garrigou-Lagrange warned in his article against the modernist New Theology;
    "Those who have attempted to attend the classes of the masters of modernist thought in order to convert them have allowed themselves to be converted by them.”

    For whatever it's worth, don't do it.

     
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    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #3 on: January 07, 2017, 08:44:18 PM »
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  • I agree with nc and Stubborn.

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    « Reply #4 on: January 07, 2017, 10:11:39 PM »
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  • Jovita, I agree with the three answers above. Conservative Catholics who attend the parishes continually complain and regret the loss of tradition but they are not prepared to change, otherwise they would already be gone from them. Use your time praying and studying the Faith. When they come to you ,you can help them.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 08, 2017, 05:44:50 PM »
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  • Jovita: It is a waste of time.  This has been going on since world war 2?  Those who are in New Order want to be there.  Marxist they are, but the power to change the very hard of hearts in the True Mass with True Precious Blood. That is where the powers are and the Rosary, fasting.

    I have a niece in Scotland who thinks she can do the same, she is age 35 and she does not understand the depth of it.

    I read federal grants and I proved with docuмents to the dioceses of Phoenix that they were of Saul Alinsky, they supported abortion and where those programs were located in Catholic charities.  I took it before what is know as CUF(catholic united for faith).
    The result was, nothing.  They yawed at it!  This was in 1996 and not one of the people I knew, not one left or questioned.  No one ever phoned me, ever!

    Our family has been traditional, not insult indult.  Out of the dioceses.  ALL dioceses are Marxist.  ALL!

    The best thing is to just pick up yourself and leave.  Forget the meeting.  It is just a laugh for them, because Marxist is global.

    Take care of your soul.  Thank God you are graced to know better!

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    « Reply #6 on: January 08, 2017, 09:37:02 PM »
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  • I feel like God has handed me a slingshot and will give me a stone to throw, if not at Goliath's head, at least I can stub a toe.

    Not for me. I don't have card in this game. But for all the young people I know who deserve to know the truth and beauty of a real, Latin Mass.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 09, 2017, 03:11:29 PM »
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  • Maybe someone tried to hand you a weapon, and it is the rosary.


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    « Reply #8 on: January 09, 2017, 03:34:36 PM »
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  • Quote from: Stubborn
    I agree with nctradcath, it is not only a waste of time, you are potentially putting yourself in a dangerous situation.

    It reminds me of a poster on FE a long time ago saying he knew of a trad who entered a NO seminary in order to fight the battle from within the conciliar establishment. There is simply no way any young man will go through a NO seminary and not come out NO.

    The moral of the story is; it is always best to avoid the situation you are walking into.

    In 1946, Father Garrigou-Lagrange warned in his article against the modernist New Theology;
    "Those who have attempted to attend the classes of the masters of modernist thought in order to convert them have allowed themselves to be converted by them.”

    For whatever it's worth, don't do it.

     


    I would be in mortal fear of suffering the violent attentions of a sodomite in a Novus Ordo seminary, that and the heresy taught by professors. A Traditional chapel and going faithfully might seem a weak response, leaving people to suffer damnation, but there are great graces from that, while wading in solo to the Conciliar Church is a danger to a person's soul, and likely to make few if any converts.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 09, 2017, 04:59:26 PM »
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  • You already have the meeting setup, you might as well do it.  But, going forward, I wouldn't spend an inordinate amount of time trying to convert the parish or changing it from its novus ordo roots.  THAT will not happen.  The Bishop won't allow it, no matter if every single parishoner and priest want it.

    I would spend time talking to people one-on-one or in small groups, in a private setting, to educate them or tell them how to educate themselves.  The system won't change until we are blessed with a holy pope.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 10, 2017, 05:03:14 PM »
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    originally posted by Pax Vobis
    I would spend time talking to people one-on-one or in small groups, in a private setting, to educate them or tell them how to educate themselves.


    Excellent advice.  I have used every single opportunity that has come my way to speak "Trad" to any n/o "catholic" that crossed my path for the past 6 years. I myself was a prot convert to the n/o for 8 years.  Not one of them has yet shown up for Mass at our chapel.
    I never knew Tradition existed until I became so miserably dissatisfied with the entire novus ordo that I went on the internet and began trying to find what I had once believed Catholicism to be (and what I thought I was becoming) and to see if it still existed.
    I guess what I'm saying is that if one truly wishes to find God and His truth, God himself will lead the way.
    I applaud your devotion but just want to warn you that it most likely will not score a single convert to Tradition.
    On the other hand, it may make them think............... :pray:


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    « Reply #11 on: January 11, 2017, 06:00:50 AM »
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  • If a person of average intellect is honest and is truly trying to find the true faith, God will lead the person to traditionalism. Most novus ordo are happy with Thier false religion. It is easy to follow and everyone goes to heaven. Most modern people have little interest in a God. I heard a story from Bishop Pivarunus that a blind lady found tradition using an internet reader, prayer, and perseverance. If a blind lady can find tradition, Anyone in this country can.

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    « Reply #12 on: January 11, 2017, 06:05:23 AM »
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  • It really is not hard using the internet and the overwhelming amount of sources and evidence available. A person truly has to be lazy, willful, or culpably ignorant not to use the available information.

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    « Reply #13 on: January 11, 2017, 06:49:01 AM »
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  • Quote from: nctradcath
    If a person of average intellect is honest and is truly trying to find the true faith, God will lead the person to traditionalism.


    Yep. Says it all.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #14 on: January 11, 2017, 09:00:17 AM »
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  • I heard a recent story where a lady was being educated about the evils of the novus ordo by her family members who had switched to tradition a few years before.  The lady was open to the truth but, as is understandable, was hesitant to make a change.  She did not live in the same state as her family and didn't know where she would find a latin mass, even if she decided to start attending.  One day she asked God where to find a latin mass.  The UPS guy shows up to deliver a package and commented that he liked her statue of Our Lady in the front yard.  This started a conversation where the UPS guy, being a traditional catholic, told her that a latin mass was a few miles from her house...The rest is history.