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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
« Reply #60 on: December 27, 2025, 11:04:46 PM »
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    • Fake st Francis 1 vs fake st Francis 2.

    You guys are insane.  AI is not real.  It cannot re-create a person’s ideas. 
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #61 on: Yesterday at 05:24:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 27, 2025, 11:04:46 PM
    Fake st Francis 1 vs fake st Francis 2.

    You guys are insane.  AI is not real.  It cannot re-create a person’s ideas.
    Let them play, it keeps them occupied lol
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #62 on: Yesterday at 08:59:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 27, 2025, 11:04:46 PM
    Fake st Francis 1 vs fake st Francis 2.

    You guys are insane.  AI is not real.  It cannot re-create a person’s ideas.

    The people first to criticize the value of AI are the ones who find AI doesn't support their views.

    Liberals have been criticizing it from the start! Go figure!
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #63 on: Yesterday at 09:23:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on Yesterday at 05:24:34 AM
    Let them play, it keeps them occupied lol

    Let's play a realistic game:

    His Stubborness: 'Let's ask the AI system for where St. Thomas supports BOD'

    AI:                          'Yes, St. Thomas supports it....and here is the quote verbatim'

    His Stubborness: 'AI must be from the devil!'

    That was fun!
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #64 on: Yesterday at 10:04:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on December 27, 2025, 06:56:15 PM
    Now ask me if I think those Masses that name the manifest heretics in the Canon are pleasing to God or a profanation (regardless of the intention of the minister or laity present) I do believe yes, those are profanations (though I realize they are not intended to be so).

    A little detour for me now. What you profess here has the implication that if Honorius was "perhaps" a heretic in his time, that this would mean that perhaps ALL the Masses in the world would have been profanations in his time. More so, it also implies you think that when Paul VI became a heretic in 1965, that ALL the traditional Masses mentioning him each day, for 3+ years, all over the world were profanations.

    Do you understand that is the direct implication of your belief?

    Are you capable of just saying, "yes", to this?
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #65 on: Yesterday at 11:38:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: Freind on Yesterday at 09:23:49 AM

    Let's play a realistic game:

    Ask it if the popes since Vatican 2 are heretics. 

    Answer: No, the popes since Vatican II are not heretics. Catholic doctrine holds that heresy requires the obstinate denial, after reception, of a truth that must be believed with divine and Catholic faith.
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #66 on: Yesterday at 11:44:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on Yesterday at 11:38:54 AM
    Ask it if the popes since Vatican 2 are heretics.

    Answer: No, the popes since Vatican II are not heretics. Catholic doctrine holds that heresy requires the obstinate denial, after reception, of a truth that must be believed with divine and Catholic faith.

    I already showed you that AI says they are heretics. Remember when I posted about Mortalium Animos?
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #67 on: Today at 04:49:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: Freind on Yesterday at 11:44:58 AM
    I already showed you that AI says they are heretics. Remember when I posted about Mortalium Animos?
    I already showed that AI says that they are not heretics. I mean, it could not be any clearer.  
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #68 on: Today at 07:23:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on Today at 04:49:57 AM
    I already showed that AI says that they are not heretics. I mean, it could not be any clearer. 

    So, you don't remember?
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #69 on: Today at 09:26:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Freind on Today at 07:23:16 AM
    So, you don't remember?
    No, I just asked it a clear question and got a clear answer. No need to take it any further.
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #70 on: Today at 09:41:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on Today at 09:26:25 AM
    No, I just asked it a clear question and got a clear answer. No need to take it any further.

    Nor do you know how to use AI.
    It's not a sage. It's a tool.
    You need to feed it facts to work on.
    Don't expect to ask one question and have it tap into all the docuмents in the whole world just for your instant pleasure.
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #71 on: Today at 10:15:47 AM »
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    • Quote from: Freind on Today at 09:41:16 AM
    Nor do you know how to use AI.
    It's not a sage. It's a tool.
    You need to feed it facts to work on.
    Don't expect to ask one question and have it tap into all the docuмents in the whole world just for your instant pleasure.
    Then all anyone needs to do to get the answer they want, is not ask clear questions, instead, phrase the question accordingly = AI is a joke.
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #72 on: Today at 11:07:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on Today at 10:15:47 AM
    Then all anyone needs to do to get the answer they want, is not ask clear questions, instead, phrase the question accordingly = AI is a joke.

    So, it's a joke when I ask AI to pull up a quote from St. Thomas Aquinas about baptism of desire, and it does?

    What the joke is is that you don't accept it!
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #73 on: Today at 12:02:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Freind on Today at 11:07:04 AM
    So, it's a joke when I ask AI to pull up a quote from St. Thomas Aquinas about baptism of desire, and it does?

    What the joke is is that you don't accept it!
    I accept that far as sedeism goes, AI can give you whatever answer you want it to give you, depending on how you phrase the question. This makes it useless for sedes to use it to prove sedeism, which, for most trads, sedeism in and of itself is useless anyway.

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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #74 on: Today at 12:12:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on Today at 12:02:38 PM
    I accept that far as sedeism goes, AI can give you whatever answer you want it to give you, depending on how you phrase the question. This makes it useless for sedes to use it to prove sedeism, which, for most trads, sedeism in and of itself is useless anyway.

    You have to know how to give it facts and how to logically argue. You don't know how. You need to stay away from it, but that has no bearing on the immense worth of AI.
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