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Offline Freind

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Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2025, 11:44:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on December 28, 2025, 11:38:54 AM
    Ask it if the popes since Vatican 2 are heretics.

    Answer: No, the popes since Vatican II are not heretics. Catholic doctrine holds that heresy requires the obstinate denial, after reception, of a truth that must be believed with divine and Catholic faith.

    I already showed you that AI says they are heretics. Remember when I posted about Mortalium Animos?
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #46 on: December 29, 2025, 04:49:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: Freind on December 28, 2025, 11:44:58 AM
    I already showed you that AI says they are heretics. Remember when I posted about Mortalium Animos?
    I already showed that AI says that they are not heretics. I mean, it could not be any clearer.  
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    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #47 on: December 29, 2025, 07:23:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on December 29, 2025, 04:49:57 AM
    I already showed that AI says that they are not heretics. I mean, it could not be any clearer. 

    So, you don't remember?
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #48 on: December 29, 2025, 09:26:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Freind on December 29, 2025, 07:23:16 AM
    So, you don't remember?
    No, I just asked it a clear question and got a clear answer. No need to take it any further.
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #49 on: December 29, 2025, 09:41:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on December 29, 2025, 09:26:25 AM
    No, I just asked it a clear question and got a clear answer. No need to take it any further.

    Nor do you know how to use AI.
    It's not a sage. It's a tool.
    You need to feed it facts to work on.
    Don't expect to ask one question and have it tap into all the docuмents in the whole world just for your instant pleasure.
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #50 on: December 29, 2025, 10:15:47 AM »
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    • Quote from: Freind on December 29, 2025, 09:41:16 AM
    Nor do you know how to use AI.
    It's not a sage. It's a tool.
    You need to feed it facts to work on.
    Don't expect to ask one question and have it tap into all the docuмents in the whole world just for your instant pleasure.
    Then all anyone needs to do to get the answer they want, is not ask clear questions, instead, phrase the question accordingly = AI is a joke.
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #51 on: December 29, 2025, 11:07:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on December 29, 2025, 10:15:47 AM
    Then all anyone needs to do to get the answer they want, is not ask clear questions, instead, phrase the question accordingly = AI is a joke.

    So, it's a joke when I ask AI to pull up a quote from St. Thomas Aquinas about baptism of desire, and it does?

    What the joke is is that you don't accept it!
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #52 on: December 29, 2025, 12:02:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Freind on December 29, 2025, 11:07:04 AM
    So, it's a joke when I ask AI to pull up a quote from St. Thomas Aquinas about baptism of desire, and it does?

    What the joke is is that you don't accept it!
    I accept that far as sedeism goes, AI can give you whatever answer you want it to give you, depending on how you phrase the question. This makes it useless for sedes to use it to prove sedeism, which, for most trads, sedeism in and of itself is useless anyway.

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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #53 on: December 29, 2025, 12:12:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on December 29, 2025, 12:02:38 PM
    I accept that far as sedeism goes, AI can give you whatever answer you want it to give you, depending on how you phrase the question. This makes it useless for sedes to use it to prove sedeism, which, for most trads, sedeism in and of itself is useless anyway.

    You have to know how to give it facts and how to logically argue. You don't know how. You need to stay away from it, but that has no bearing on the immense worth of AI.
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #54 on: December 29, 2025, 01:09:40 PM »
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    • A.I. actually works well by amplifying the intelligence of those using it properly, while understanding its limits and weaknesses, such as when it is wrong. For the user that has limited resources, the results reflect as such. 
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    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

    You are not obliged to resolve the Church’s crisis by absolutizing any faction. Your obligation is to preserve faith, reason, humility, and charity,and to refuse to make any human authority into an idol.

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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #55 on: December 29, 2025, 01:11:39 PM »
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    • Higher-intelligence users tend to get better results not because the AI is smarter for them, but because they ask better questions, notice errors, refine prompts, and integrate outputs critically. In short, AI reflects the operator: garbage in, garbage out; insight in, leverage out.

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    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

    You are not obliged to resolve the Church’s crisis by absolutizing any faction. Your obligation is to preserve faith, reason, humility, and charity,and to refuse to make any human authority into an idol.

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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #56 on: December 29, 2025, 01:22:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Freind on December 29, 2025, 12:12:09 PM
    You have to know how to give it facts and how to logically argue. You don't know how. You need to stay away from it, but that has no bearing on the immense worth of AI.
    So to get a clear answer, you cannot simply ask it a clear question. Got it.
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #57 on: December 29, 2025, 01:25:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on December 29, 2025, 01:22:19 PM
    So to get a clear answer, you cannot simply ask it a clear question. Got it.

    No, you don't got it. It depends on the question.
    You aren't capable, so don't blame the system you cannot use correctly.
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #58 on: December 29, 2025, 02:14:15 PM »
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    • I wonder what St Francis de Sales thinks of the answers AI is supplying on his behalf 🤔😅
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #59 on: December 29, 2025, 04:14:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: The Mrs on December 29, 2025, 02:14:15 PM
    I wonder what St Francis de Sales thinks of the answers AI is supplying on his behalf 🤔😅

    All it means is that the engine is being most directly told to answer based on that Saint's written works' content and style.
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