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My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
« on: December 24, 2025, 02:21:58 PM »
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    • END OF DISCUSSION WITH AI FRANCIS DE SALES


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    Offline DecemRationis

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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #1 on: December 24, 2025, 02:44:24 PM »
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    END OF DISCUSSION WITH AI FRANCIS DE SALES

    I apologize in advance if the response to this is in the above, as I didn't read the whole thing.

    But an actual pope, Paul IV, said in Cuм Ex Apostolatus Officio:


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    7. Finally, [by this Our Constitution, which is to remain valid in perpetuity, We] also [enact, determine, define and decree]:- that any and all persons who would have been subject to those thus promoted or elevated if they had not previously deviated from the Faith, become heretics, incurred schism or provoked or committed any or all of these, be they members of anysoever of the following categories:


    (i) the clergy, secular and religious;

    (ii) the laity;

    (iii) the Cardinals, even those who shall have taken part in the election of this very Pontiff previously deviating from the Faith or heretical or schismatical, or shall otherwise have consented and vouchsafed obedience to him and shall have venerated him;

    (iv) Castellans, Prefects, Captains and Officials, even of Our Beloved City and of the entire Ecclesiastical State, even if they shall be obliged and beholden to those thus promoted or elevated by homage, oath or security; shall be permitted at any time to withdraw with impunity from obedience and devotion to those thus promoted or elevated and to avoid them as warlocks, heathens, publicans, and heresiarchs (the same subject persons, nevertheless, remaining bound by the duty of fidelity and obedience to any future Bishops, Archbishops, Patriarchs, Primates, Cardinals and Roman Pontiff canonically entering).

    Isn't including the pope in the Canon an act of obedience or devotion? And therefore was Paul IV authorizing schismatic action?


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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #2 on: December 24, 2025, 02:56:09 PM »
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    • It is so weird to me that people talk to their computers like they think they're human. Talk to your imaginary friend and your pet rock instead. :trollface:
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #3 on: December 24, 2025, 03:56:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on December 24, 2025, 02:56:09 PM
    It is so weird to me that people talk to their computers like they think they're human. Talk to your imaginary friend and your pet rock instead. :trollface:

    It's the cyber format the computer system works with for our natural convenience.

    Just hope people don't start treating AI like the world treats cats and dogs!
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #4 on: December 24, 2025, 03:59:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on December 24, 2025, 02:44:24 PM
    I apologize in advance if the response to this is in the above, as I didn't read the whole thing.

    But an actual pope, Paul IV, said in Cuм Ex Apostolatus Officio:

    CEAO was abrogated by later legislation. Maybe you should open another thread on that. It doesn't belong here.
    Happy reading! Be sure to click on each graphic so that it become bigger.
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 05:29:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: Freind on December 24, 2025, 03:59:45 PM
    CEAO was abrogated by later legislation. Maybe you should open another thread on that. It doesn't belong here.
    Happy reading! Be sure to click on each graphic so that it become bigger.

    :facepalm:

    Even if abrogated, so what?

    I'll change the question so that maybe you can see its relevance.

    If taking the pope out of the Canon is an act of schism (according to AI), does that mean a pope, Paul IV, was authorizing schism (during the time his edict wasn't "abrogated") when he said one could withdraw obedience and devotion to an elected pope, thereby legitimatizing leaving their name out of the Canon under certain circuмstances (such as pre-election heresy)?

    Or maybe simply ask AI, "could a a pope authorize schism?

    Because Paul IV said one could withdraw obedience and devotion to an elected pope - without a prior judicial or declarative sentence - who was a heretic pre-election.

    Do you see the relevance now?
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 06:33:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on Yesterday at 05:29:08 AM
    :facepalm:

    Even if abrogated, so what?

    I'll change the question so that maybe you can see its relevance.

    If taking the pope out of the Canon is an act of schism (according to AI), does that mean a pope, Paul IV, was authorizing schism (during the time his edict wasn't "abrogated") when he said one could withdraw obedience and devotion to an elected pope, thereby legitimatizing leaving their name out of the Canon under certain circuмstances (such as pre-election heresy)?

    Or maybe simply ask AI, "could a a pope authorize schism?

    Because Paul IV said one could withdraw obedience and devotion to an elected pope - without a prior judicial or declarative sentence - who was a heretic pre-election.

    Do you see the relevance now?

    It was talking about not recognizing the man as pope because his election was invalid due to previous heresy. So, if you leave out the name of a man who really is not the pope, obviously that has nothing to do with schism.

    You should read the whole OP. Looks like you barely did. It's not what you think it is all about.
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 07:29:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: Freind on Yesterday at 06:33:57 AM
    It was talking about not recognizing the man as pope because his election was invalid due to previous heresy. So, if you leave out the name of a man who really is not the pope, obviously that has nothing to do with schism.

    You should read the whole OP. Looks like you barely did. It's not what you think it is all about.
    Yeah, like I said, I didn't read the whole thing. 

    Your AI pretending it was St. Francis de Sales said removing the pope from the Canon based upon private judgment was schismatic. That's contrary to cuм Ex; hence, my comment. 

    You also threw me off with your cuм Ex was abrogated comment, which is besides my missing the point.

    Merry Christmas. 
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    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 11:19:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on Yesterday at 07:29:39 AM
    Yeah, like I said, I didn't read the whole thing.

    Your AI pretending it was St. Francis de Sales said removing the pope from the Canon based upon private judgment was schismatic. That's contrary to cuм Ex; hence, my comment.

    You also threw me off with your cuм Ex was abrogated comment, which is besides my missing the point.

    Merry Christmas.

    You are way off again. Removing a true pope is schismatic, if one believes he is a true Bishop of Rome. 

    Read the whole thing, it's different than you think.
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 02:22:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Freind on Yesterday at 11:19:35 AM
    You are way off again. Removing a true pope is schismatic, if one believes he is a true Bishop of Rome.

    Read the whole thing, it's different than you think.

    Who said a true pope? I never did. 

    Your AI "Francis de Sales" said it was schismatic to remove a pope from the Canon on the basis of private judgment. A "pope," with no qualifier. 

    Yeah, so you convinced "Francis de Sales" to change his "mind." 

    AI is good for gathering and summarizing content and information, not critical thinking. Proof of that right here. 


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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
    « Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 07:56:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on Yesterday at 02:22:18 PM
    Who said a true pope? I never did.

    Your AI "Francis de Sales" said it was schismatic to remove a pope from the Canon on the basis of private judgment. A "pope," with no qualifier.

    Yeah, so you convinced "Francis de Sales" to change his "mind."

    AI is good for gathering and summarizing content and information, not critical thinking. Proof of that right here.


    Pope, means a true pope.
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    Re: My AI discussion with "Francis de Sales"
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    • Stop it with all this “AI conversation” stuff.  AI is demonic and can’t be trusted.  AI was developed by the same elites who pushed the plandemic, the WHO, the WEF, etc.  Wake up. 
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