Author Topic: Motu Mess? (Read 4864 times)

stevusmagnus · « **on:** July 16, 2009, 03:52:40 PM »

I recently attended a weekday Motu Mass since I had missed my Chapel's Mass for the day.

A nun in secular garb (black blazer with no habit or veil) was in attendance. She sat through at least one part where we should kneel. She then knelt at the altar rail but put her hands out and received Holy Communion in the hand.

A majority of the women were unveiled and in pants. One woman apparently in her 40's was wearing a skirt, but it only came down to mid thigh. Another gentleman with white hair was wearing shorts and sandals!

The Novus Ordo table, which was on wheels, was left in the sanctuary the whole time. And after Mass (a low Mass) the prayers requested by Pope Leo XIII were ignored and not said. I suppose Russia is already converted, right? Or so the NO tells us.

I did note one poor mom and daughter wearing long skirts and veiled, God bless them.

After Mass some woman in pants and a veil was walking through the sanctuary.

Then I took a look next to me as the Missalette from the NO was lying there. There was some blob of mixed colors on the front. It looked as if Toucan Sam had vomited his fruit loops. It apparently represented the ugliness and confusion of the modern liturgical printers.

I came out of there with a heavy heart for our Church and the poor souls inside it with absolutely no strong leadership, grounded in the Truth, to lead and challenge them in the right direction. What I saw was the Old Rite shoved into a context of people who are ideologically in another universe than what it stands for, but who have no idea this is the case.

I saw the white haired man in shorts and sandals kneeling at a side altar lighting a candle to Our Lady. The scene was poignant. the mix of true Catholicism dressed in the trappings of the modern world.

sedetrad · « **Reply #1 on:** July 16, 2009, 04:10:31 PM »

Im surpirsed you could sit through it.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #2 on:** July 16, 2009, 04:11:53 PM »

Well, it's never just been an issue of only the mass.

If one lacks reverence and correct theology, there will be abuses, even if they aren't built into the liturgy itself.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #3 on:** July 16, 2009, 04:38:58 PM »

Tele,

That's my point. In NO-land there is cluelessness and sloppiness uncorrected and fostered for decades.

Then we throw our pearl of great price before these people and they often abuse the heck out of it.

How do we get these people to act properly and fully understand the TLM when they are allowed to stick to their NO and worldly practices in every other regard?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #4 on:** July 16, 2009, 04:41:31 PM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

Tele,

That's my point. In NO-land there is cluelessness and sloppiness uncorrected and fostered for decades.

Then we throw our pearl of great price before these people and they often abuse the heck out of it.

How do we get these people to act properly and fully understand the TLM when they are allowed to stick to their NO and worldly practices in every other regard?

Priests have to be converted.

Unfortunately, their bishops will tie their hands.

So bishops need to be converted.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #5 on:** July 16, 2009, 05:01:33 PM »

Do you see any Bishops being converted, save a miraculous intervention from God or a horrible chastisement?

sedetrad · « **Reply #6 on:** July 16, 2009, 05:07:02 PM »

Stevus,

I think the horrbile chastisment is the only way it will occur ans what we deserve.

Andrew

Credo · « **Reply #7 on:** July 16, 2009, 07:21:29 PM »

I think there are some things that we need to take into consideration when we attend a mass like this one.

Is this a priest that originally came from the Novus Ordo and doesnt have the desire to do the mass? Maybe he truly just does not know better. Did you ask the priest why he left it out? Did you express why to you it is important to say all of the mass and prayers afterward? If you did these things, then the bishop should know so they can get a priest who will do the mass the way it should respectfully be done. That is the bishops job.

People who normally attend the Novus Ordo do dress inappropriately and do not cover their heads. It has been my experience that slowly change comes for the better over time. Not over night. Especially if this mass has been going on for a short time. Remember, for most Catholics, this is a culture shock to them.

Trust and pray that by doing this mass, that God will give this priest graces he needs to perform this mass properly and so his clergy does realize that this mass holds higher standards.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #8 on:** July 16, 2009, 08:45:35 PM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

Do you see any Bishops being converted, save a miraculous intervention from God or a horrible chastisement?

Well, a few have been.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #9 on:** July 16, 2009, 08:46:15 PM »

This priest has been saying the TLM for a long time and the TLM has been in this parish for quite some time. Sadly, with no correction from the top I just don't see the situation changing. It's too entrenched.

There are worse examples in other places. The problem comes in putting the TLM in Novus Ordo parishes. There should be more of an effort to create diocesan Latin Mass parishes and give them dispensations from the typical NO BS such as communion in the hand, etc.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #10 on:** July 16, 2009, 08:46:59 PM »

By the way Credo, good to see you have joined a decent forum.

TheD · « **Reply #11 on:** July 16, 2009, 09:02:58 PM »

At the Mass I attend about have of the Women have head covers and dress appropriately. I have only seen a couple of men in jeans or shorts though. I am happy to say there are no alter girls and communion is always given in the mouth. But since the parish also uses the Novus Ordo there are no alter rails and we have to have Mass at 3:00 pm so very few attend. The biggest problem is the diocese controls us and can limit us in whatever way they like. And prominent Catholics in our area refuse to fund or advertise it and thus almost know one can know about it save through word of mouth.

Vladimir · « **Reply #12 on:** July 17, 2009, 12:42:04 AM »

I used to attend FSSP mass and they were very strict there -- all the women were veiled, the men all wore suits, and there was silence before and during the Mass. The only sound was the penitents in the back shuffling around as they went into the confessional. It is a pity, since they are schismatic....

Vladimir · « **Reply #13 on:** July 17, 2009, 12:42:44 AM »

This was the church:

http://sacfssp.com/default.aspx

CM · « **Reply #14 on:** July 17, 2009, 12:46:46 AM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

I did note one poor mom and daughter wearing long skirts and veiled, God bless them.

No He does not. And He never will unless they convert to the Catholic Faith and reject their pernicious sect.

We are going through a chastisement right now, in that the world at large believes Freemason heretics and apostates to be the Catholic hierarchy, and almost as many souls go to hell each day as people die.