Author Topic: Motu Mess? (Read 5777 times)

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #45 on:** July 20, 2009, 02:01:34 PM »

One AQ poster cited a docuмent that allows NO readings at TLM. I wouldn't have believed it unless I saw it. Ridiculous.

The same poster says the communion in the hand indult applies to the Roman Rite and thus the TLM is included. I HOPE this is not the case. Otherwise we'll soon be seeing girl altar boys at Motu Masses as well.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #46 on:** July 20, 2009, 02:18:46 PM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

Otherwise we'll soon be seeing girl altar boys at Motu Masses as well.

Who's going to stop them? No doubt it's already happened.

I fear the only reason many willl avoid those abuse is to attract people who might be tempted to go the SSPX or independent parishes.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #47 on:** July 20, 2009, 02:21:29 PM »

Quote from: Credo

I have him a polite smile and told him "That's ok Father. Some of the way people dress to mass makes me feel uncomfortable too. But is not the new liberal way that 'tolerance' is the new virtue?

Yes, tolerance. The irony of something like Dignitatis Humanae is that the only religion whose freedom the Church hierarchy will not insist on is the Catholic one, which they attempt to suppress in one way or another nearly everywhere there are Catholics in the world.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #48 on:** October 17, 2010, 08:06:54 PM »

Throwing lit firecrackers into a room? Is there a "scratching head" emoticon?

How in the world is it obvious to Cath Info readers what church and priest I was referring to? I made absolutely no mention of either. What I described could go on at thousands of Motu parishes across the country.

One poster started guessing, though I still refuse to say one way or the other because, as I stated numerous times, the point is NOT to malign this particular priest, parish, church, parishoners, but for us to discuss the problems in the current Motu Masses. WHY does it matter what church it occurred in?

My comments were particular observations that represent general problems going on in the Motu. General principles are often concretely expressed well in particular examples. I thought this particular Mass experience was a good microcosm of the problems going on. If it helps you, imagine the whole thing was a fictional Mass. Then respond to the problems rather than trying to defend some particular individuals/ church you think was mentioned.

The "nun" in secular garb, who coincidentally (?) looked like every liberal "nun" I've ever known in my life, had no problem kneeling at the altar rail (right before she pulled a fast one by sticking her hands out to receive). Therefore she was physically capable of kneeling during the appropriate parts of the Mass and therefore the problem was one of will and not ability.

As far as the discussion, I think it went pretty well and thought it was over since this is from over a year ago. As long as we all address the specific behavior mentioned in the OP and don't get caught up in emotion trying to defend this uncertain church/ priest etc., I think the discussion would be fruitful.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #49 on:** November 06, 2010, 02:44:04 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

That is the "cardinal sin" of the Indult, and why I would never attend it no matter how reverent or beautiful the liturgy was.

What is that "cardinal sin"? Namely: believing that there is no Crisis in the Church; that it's simply about the Liturgy (the Mass) -- whereas the problem is actually the Catholic Faith itself being lost.

Yes, the Mass is a huge part of the Crisis, but only because the Mass is so central to the Faith. But it's the FAITH at stake in this Crisis in the Church. It's about Catholic dogma, identity, culture, the Priesthood, and relations with the modern world.

Matthew

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parentsfortruth · « **Reply #50 on:** November 07, 2010, 09:35:44 AM »

I went to Mass this morning at the independent church I go to, and there was a young lady wearing a short(er) skirt. It was pretty short, especially in the back, to the point it was above her knees in the back. I saw her walk in, and I went up to her after I got my children settled in the pew, taking my infant back, and I advised her that there were longer skirts in the basement that she could have, and that I would turn the light on for her down there.

She didn't change, and after Mass, she kinda gave me a look (I thought). I thought to myself, "Well, it's better if someone says something privately to her, than to have people gawking at her committing a sin, and/or people talking behind her back."

I wasn't trying to offend her. I was concerned that her skirt was immodest and that it offended Our Lord, and I was concerned for the people that she ended up sitting in front of.

I don't think I was out of line at all, and I believe I'm going to bring up the topic to the priest(s) at the Church, because I'm seeing more youngsters (teenagers and even 20's) coming into Mass with skirts just barely at, and even a few inches -above- the knee, which really do not meet the standards of modesty.

It's something we should all be concerned about, and carefully tend to as far as with our children, and charitably mention it to those that we come in contact with, -especially- at Holy Mass.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #51 on:** November 07, 2010, 10:57:19 AM »

There was a time at the Mount when people would correct new comers, and they would never come back. Our new policy is to allow a new comer the benefit of the doubt, they have the grace to come in the first place not knowing the dress code. However, after they receive a bulletin with the dress code printed there and observe the modesty standards, they are apt to come back properly dressed, without any direct correction.

If this person was someone who comes often and is regarded as a "regular" then maybe someone might tactfully correct her as you did.

ora pro me · « **Reply #52 on:** November 07, 2010, 03:19:41 PM »

I can tell you a story of a middle-aged man who had been talking about coming to our TLM for a few years. He always told us he had been an altar server and could still remember the Latin.

One Sunday he finally came and brought his 80ish year old mother with him. She was wearing the kind of dress pants suit that the elderly women nowadays often wear. Maybe she didn't own any dresses anymore, maybe her legs get cold in dresses, maybe it's easier for her to put on pants then stockings..... lots of possible reasons, or maybe that's just what she always wears when she goes to her NO mass. Well, the usher spoke to her, explaining the dress code and asked if she would please wear a dress the next time she came. I'm sure he was very polite, but she was offended and she and the son will not come again.

I like Myrna's Church's approach. If that idea had been employed in this situation, maybe they'd still be coming.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #53 on:** November 07, 2010, 03:32:49 PM »

Later on, I talked to one of the priests about it. He said I shouldn't have said anything to her, because likely she was new. She wasn't the only one dressed like this, either. There is a family that's been coming there for years, and now their daughters are in their twenties, and some of -their- children are teenagers, and have short skirts too. He's going to mention it.

Usually he handles this kind of thing in confession, so that he can advise them privately. Where this one priest is from, there's no screen for confession, so he can actually see them, and they are receptive to being admonished there. I didn't say that her skirt was too short. I said that there were longer ones that she could have in the basement. I thought I was pretty tactful, but I'm not going to say anything anymore.

I remember when I started going to the TLM, and there was an older lady (who ended up my confirmation sponsor, later on) who told me my skirt was too short. This was when I was fresh out of the NO. So I didn't think anything of it when I saw this lady.

Next time I'll keep my mouth shut. The priests can handle it.

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Telesphorus · « **Reply #54 on:** November 07, 2010, 04:39:10 PM »

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Next time I'll keep my mouth shut. The priests can handle it.

Sometimes they do sometimes they don't.

I think you did the right thing. The fact is being traditionalist isn't a guarantee that a priest will do the right thing. We live in a time when so many priests are treasonous that standards must be imposed whether they are willing to impose them or not.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #55 on:** November 07, 2010, 06:49:32 PM »

I compare the tact in what I said to the strategic thing that Archie Bunker said in this episode of "All in the Family."

"That house doesn't have termites!"

"I never said it did!"

"Then what did you say?"

"I said I wouldn't buy a house that was riddled with termites!"

:geezer:

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