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Offline Prodinoscopus

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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2009, 01:46:55 AM »
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  • If the chair of Peter is empty, who holds the keys to the kingdom of heaven?

    By what authority are you able to judge that we have no pope?
    Exile in Novus Ordo land ... please pray for me!

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    « Reply #16 on: June 04, 2009, 01:55:02 AM »
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  • My good friend and fellow Catholic, please take this some where else. ;)


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    « Reply #17 on: June 04, 2009, 04:51:09 AM »
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  • MHFM is not friendly to CMRI.

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    « Reply #18 on: June 04, 2009, 06:26:35 AM »
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    My good friend and fellow Catholic, please take this some where else. ;)

    No problem. For the salvation of your eternal soul, I will pray that you eventually see that Our Lord Jesus Christ cannot possibly call you to a "vocation" whereby you would resolutely separate yourself from His visible Body.
    Exile in Novus Ordo land ... please pray for me!

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    « Reply #19 on: June 04, 2009, 03:59:21 PM »
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    ;)


    http://www.syonabbey.org/index.html

    Here is a good place to check out as well...


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    « Reply #20 on: June 04, 2009, 04:30:01 PM »
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  • Oh my goodness, that is the most beautiful monastery I have ever seen!

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    « Reply #21 on: June 05, 2009, 10:43:45 PM »
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  • Run, don't walk away from "MHFM."  They are completely devoid of the spirit of Christ for they censure everyone an heretic, probably including yourself, for not following their opinions on the Catholic faith.  They habitually distort truth and reality in order to further their aims.  In short, it appears certain that they have formed a hateful and evil sect.  For if you ever decide that the Office is not indeed vacant, you will be evicted from their "communion."    

    I would strongly recommend avoiding the "sedevacantist opinion defines our union" organizations and seek out the traditional ascetic life within the SSPX or some other related monastary.  You will find true liberation for your soul without the obsessive traits which seem to want to "go out of oneself" and judge who is in office.  An attitude which is diametrically opposed to the ideals of monastic life.  The first thing a good monk would do is rebuke you for poking your nose where it doesn't belong!  Once you begin to experience true poverty of spirit you will begin to understand the vanity of "sedevacantism."  

    If you are attracted to the spiritual life, do not kill charity within your soul by associating yourself with wicked men.  By all means, fly to God, but first find that fertile ground where you will be properly disciplined.      

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    « Reply #22 on: June 06, 2009, 01:20:24 AM »
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    Run, don't walk away from "MHFM."  They are completely devoid of the spirit of Christ for they censure everyone an heretic, probably including yourself, for not following their opinions on the Catholic faith.


    I have yet to find anything that the Diamond brothers teach that is contrary to the Faith...
     
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    They habitually distort truth and reality in order to further their aims.  In short, it appears certain that they have formed a hateful and evil sect.  For if you ever decide that the Office is not indeed vacant, you will be evicted from their "communion."    


    I do not think so...

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    I would strongly recommend avoiding the "sedevacantist opinion defines our union" organizations and seek out the traditional ascetic life within the SSPX or some other related monastary.  You will find true liberation for your soul without the obsessive traits which seem to want to "go out of oneself" and judge who is in office.  An attitude which is diametrically opposed to the ideals of monastic life.  The first thing a good monk would do is rebuke you for poking your nose where it doesn't belong!  Once you begin to experience true poverty of spirit you will begin to understand the vanity of "sedevacantism."  


    This actually makes sense. I will think over it.

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    I do not believe that the Diamond brothers are at heart wicked or hateful, on the contrary, from what I see, they have a genuine concern for the salvation  of souls.


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    « Reply #23 on: June 06, 2009, 03:31:53 AM »
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  • The Dimond brothers arbitrarily ignore a major heresy of Antipope Benedict XV, and hypocritically so. It's so simple and yet they don't see it. No doubt this is because of a spiritual blindness brought on by their fondness for sacrilegiously receiving the sacraments from heretic, apostate and schismatic clergy.

    Please connect the dots below, and then reject the heretic Dimonds as any proper Catholic would.

    On page 171 of the brothers book Heresies of John Paul II, they quote a homily of Antipope John Paul II in which he states that "the blood of Christ reaches all and saves all." They correctly say that this is in contrast with the dogmatic teachings of the Church. Then they quote the Council of Trent:

    Pope Paul III, Council of Trent, Sess. 6, Ch. 3, 1547, ex cathedra: "But though He died for all, yet not all receive the benefit of His death, but only those whom the merit of His passion is imparted."

    They follow up by saying, " Only those who are freed from original sin by Baptism, and united to Him through the sacraments and the true faith, receive the benefit of Christ's death." If the Dimonds want to remain consistent, they would have to condemn Benedict XV for this statement:

    Antipope Benedict XV, Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum, #1, 1914: "For the whole of mankind was freed from the slavery of sin by the shedding of the blood of Jesus Christ as their ransom, and there is no one who is excluded from the benefit of this Redemption ..."

    How do we know the Dimonds are spiritually blind? The refuse to connect the dots. Further evidence that these men were not only antipopes, but Free Masons as well, can be found in their very same writings.

    Antipope Benedict XV, Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum, #6: "Our Lord Jesus Christ came down from Heaven for the very purpose of restoring amongst men the Kingdom of Peace, which the envy of the devil had destroyed, and it was His will that it should rest on no other foundation than that of brotherly love... He teaches all men, without distinction of nationality or of language, or of ideas, to pray in the words: 'Our Father, who are in Heaven,'"

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    « Reply #24 on: June 06, 2009, 08:31:36 AM »
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  • Isn't it a fact that Jesus redeemed all men? That is not saying that all men will be saved, so I fail to see the heresy.

    Uriel, does the CMRI teach "Baptism of Desire"? I have also heard that they believe that there can be salvation outside the Church.

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    « Reply #25 on: June 06, 2009, 08:50:53 AM »
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    The Dimond brothers arbitrarily ignore a major heresy of Antipope Benedict XV, and hypocritically so. It's so simple and yet they don't see it. No doubt this is because of a spiritual blindness brought on by their fondness for sacrilegiously receiving the sacraments from heretic, apostate and schismatic clergy.

    Please connect the dots below, and then reject the heretic Dimonds as any proper Catholic would.

    On page 171 of the brothers book Heresies of John Paul II, they quote a homily of Antipope John Paul II in which he states that "the blood of Christ reaches all and saves all." They correctly say that this is in contrast with the dogmatic teachings of the Church. Then they quote the Council of Trent:

    Pope Paul III, Council of Trent, Sess. 6, Ch. 3, 1547, ex cathedra: "But though He died for all, yet not all receive the benefit of His death, but only those whom the merit of His passion is imparted."

    They follow up by saying, " Only those who are freed from original sin by Baptism, and united to Him through the sacraments and the true faith, receive the benefit of Christ's death." If the Dimonds want to remain consistent, they would have to condemn Benedict XV for this statement:

    Antipope Benedict XV, Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum, #1, 1914: "For the whole of mankind was freed from the slavery of sin by the shedding of the blood of Jesus Christ as their ransom, and there is no one who is excluded from the benefit of this Redemption ..."

    How do we know the Dimonds are spiritually blind? The refuse to connect the dots. Further evidence that these men were not only antipopes, but Free Masons as well, can be found in their very same writings.

    Antipope Benedict XV, Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum, #6: "Our Lord Jesus Christ came down from Heaven for the very purpose of restoring amongst men the Kingdom of Peace, which the envy of the devil had destroyed, and it was His will that it should rest on no other foundation than that of brotherly love... He teaches all men, without distinction of nationality or of language, or of ideas, to pray in the words: 'Our Father, who are in Heaven,'"


    The above remarks are a perfect example of both lack of charity and understanding.  Even the most basic level of both would understand such statemetns to refer to objective redemption.  The fact that "catholic martyr" wants to "throw them under the bus" is evil simply speaking.  I challenge you to read St. Francis of De Sales Introduction to the Devout Life and then re-read this and MHFM writings.  You will see that they are imbibed with rashness and hatred of their neighbor, good priests and faithful.  I read somewhere on their website that they had called a monk on the phone and asked him if Jews would be saved.  The monk replied that he didn't know and consequently the shrill asserted "he's an heretic!!"  I'm not sure if you appreciate this short story and the degree of depravity in this attack, but someday I hope you will.  The spirit which animates them is vicious.      

    The only way you will do this is to stop saturating yourself with their writings and start reading good spiritual works.  I repeat, stop reading their website or that of "traditio" as well.  I would even recommend staying away from message boards and the internet also.  


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    « Reply #26 on: June 06, 2009, 08:58:23 AM »
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  • It was actually a debate between Bro. Peter and a man claiming to be an apologist for the Archdiocese of Chicago. Bro. Peter asked him that if the Chief Rabbi of Rome died today, unrepent, if he would go to Hell. The apologist refused to give a straight answer and said "I don't know" and later changed his answer several times.

    You can listen to the debate here:

    http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/other_andtelephone_audios.php

    (its title is "Debate with Vatican II Apologist")

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    I can understand you advising me not to read their website, but why do you advise me to stay off the forums? (I can do it, but I see no reason why)

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    « Reply #27 on: June 06, 2009, 09:27:49 AM »
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    « Reply #28 on: June 06, 2009, 09:29:34 AM »
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    « Reply #29 on: June 06, 2009, 11:29:24 AM »
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  • Well, no, he's not even fuzzy about his dogma.  His hesitation and doubt demonstrates that.  What he refused to do was make a particular determination as to fact, it is not heresy to leave judgment up to God.  He obviously was not referring to objective, external facts or dogma itself.  This little story reveals much about this man's state of mind, ready to denounce everyone a heretic, except of course himself.  Like I said, stay very far away from these men, they're bad for your health.  To accuse someone of heresy on such slight "evidence" is a mortal sin against justice and charity.  Why would you want to associate yourself with men who objectively morally sin with impugnity, apparently even relishing in it, and then publish it on a website, thereby declaring their iniquity in public for all to read?  I really can't decide who is worse: the modernist or these men.  The former robs men of truth, the latter of charity.