Author Topic: Is tradition in action totally nuts? (Read 8368 times)

Elizabeth · « **Reply #15 on:** August 08, 2009, 08:53:14 PM »

Quote from: Caraffa

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it laments the fact that a lot of traditionalists are merely "ordinary".

A lot of traditionalists being "ordinary" may be a problem though.

Hi Radtrad! I was responding to the above!

I have admired TIA for years; I often tend to think along the same lines. I have not read their more scholarly books, but did read Our Lady of Good Success.

radtrad · « **Reply #16 on:** August 08, 2009, 09:33:09 PM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

Quote from: Caraffa
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it laments the fact that a lot of traditionalists are merely "ordinary".

A lot of traditionalists being "ordinary" may be a problem though.

Hi Radtrad! I was responding to the above!

I have admired TIA for years; I often tend to think along the same lines. I have not read their more scholarly books, but did read Our Lady of Good Success.

Elizabeth,

My mistake. I apologize.

Robert

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #17 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:36:59 AM »

Quote from: radtrad

I love this web forum. TIA is "totally nuts" because it advocates for modesty in dress?

Straw man.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #18 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:41:05 AM »

Quote from: Vladimir

Do you criticise everyone who is not in suit and tie at Holy Mass?

Sadly, some do. sgg.org/cult beats this drum pretty regularly. When such a drum is beaten in a particular way, by men without sincere conviction, it only serves to harden people against the very thing upon which the 'drum-beaters' are insisting.

radtrad · « **Reply #19 on:** August 09, 2009, 08:46:43 AM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

Quote from: Vladimir
Do you criticise everyone who is not in suit and tie at Holy Mass?

Sadly, some do. sgg.org/cult beats this drum pretty regularly. When such a drum is beaten in a particular way, by men without sincere conviction, it only serves to harden people against the very thing upon which the 'drum-beaters' are insisting.

And I'm the one who uses a straw man? We are discussing Tradition in Action, not SGG. SGG are maybe "men without sincere conviction", but is Tradition in Action? If this is so, will you please show me how?

Robert

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #20 on:** August 10, 2009, 01:31:09 AM »

Quote from: radtrad

Quote from: gladius_veritatis
Quote from: Vladimir
Do you criticise everyone who is not in suit and tie at Holy Mass?

Sadly, some do. sgg.org/cult beats this drum pretty regularly. When such a drum is beaten in a particular way, by men without sincere conviction, it only serves to harden people against the very thing upon which the 'drum-beaters' are insisting.

And I'm the one who uses a straw man? We are discussing Tradition in Action, not SGG. SGG are maybe "men without sincere conviction", but is Tradition in Action? If this is so, will you please show me how?

Robert

Mentioning sgg.org/cult as an example to illustrate my answer to the question posed by Vladimir is NOT the same thing as attacking a straw man.

Yes, the thread's initial topic centered around TIA, but that does not mean that the comments have no bearing on other entities in Traddieland. For better or worse, many of the symptoms of illness can be seen in all quarters of the Traddieland 'bubble world' that has been constructed over the decades.

Yes, you DID attack a straw man in the comment to which I was making reference. It is no crime. None of us is flawless. Just admit it and move on to bigger and better things. Godspeed.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #21 on:** August 10, 2009, 01:45:44 AM »

Quote from: radtrad

SGG are maybe "men without sincere conviction", but is Tradition in Action? If this is so, will you please show me how?

I confess that my knowledge of TIA is not all that substantial. I have read a few articles from the site, but such is not sufficient to comment at this time as to whether or not they are mere posers or addicted to externals in an inordinate way. From what I have read, it would seem they are not, but, in a sense, we are all, in one way or another, "damaged goods" in this crazy, post-V2-destruction era.

Irenaeus · « **Reply #22 on:** August 13, 2009, 01:15:01 AM »

Fatima 1917

Chartres 2009

It's a good thing that the Fatima pilgrims didn't dress like the Chartres pilgrims. Our Lady might have changed her mind and stayed away.

Jacafamala · « **Reply #23 on:** August 13, 2009, 06:29:39 AM »

What on earth are they doing here? Playing footsie?

Did the men wear shorts to Mass?

A long skirt summer weight is just as cool and comfortable and affordable as these shorts that the girl is wearing here, but he skirt has the added benefit of being modest and appropriate for Holy Mass.

radtrad · « **Reply #24 on:** August 13, 2009, 11:44:17 AM »

Quote from: Irenaeus

Fatima 1917

Chartres 2009

It's a good thing that the Fatima pilgrims didn't dress like the Chartres pilgrims. Our Lady might have changed her mind and stayed away.

Perfect post! The premise that it is impossible to "dress like that" is accepted before the debate on this issue even starts. Showing the two pics disproves the premise all together. We don't HAVE TO dress immodestly simply because "it's hot".

Regarding Our Lady, maybe that's why she doesn't appear to many Americans... they are too immodest in dress!

Robert