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Offline Maria Regina

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Moscow patriarchate leader bears grudge against Catholics
« on: May 05, 2018, 12:17:16 AM »
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  • https://www2.stetson.edu/~psteeves/relnews/180430b.html

    Perhaps this is a good thing as Francis wanted unity yesteryear.



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    METROPOLITAN EXPLAINS WHY ORTHODOX AND CATHOLICS CANNOT UNITE
    RIA Novosti, 30 April 2018
     
    The Orthodox and Catholic churches will not unite because of many contradictions and disagreements that have arisen in the thousand-year history of their separate existence, declared the chairman of the Department for External Church Relations of the Moscow patriarchate, Metropolitan of Volokolamsk Ilarion.
     
    Commenting on air for the program "Church and World" on television channel Russia 24 regarding the statement by Patriarch of Constantinople Bartholomew about the inevitability of unification of the two branches of Christianity, the Russian church hierarch expressed disagreement with such a point of view.
     
    "I do not share this position on the basis of a completely realistic analysis of the situation in local Orthodox churches and the situation in Orthodox-Catholic dialogue. Despite the fact that the foundations of our faith are identical and our creed is almost identical, Catholics have a different understanding about the procession of the Holy Spirit—that is the first point. And the second, in the now almost thousand-year history of separate existence many contradictions and disagreements have accuмulated between us," Metropolitan Ilarion said.
     
    For example, several persons who are recognized in the Catholic Church as saints are considered in the Russian Orthodox Church to be heretics or persecutors of Orthodoxy.
     
    "Catholics talk about the possible canonization of Cardinal [Aloysius Viktor] Stepinac. This cardinal was a Croat and in the Catholic Church he is honored as a saint. But in the opinion of the Serbian Orthodox Church, in the years of the Second World War the cardinal participated directly and in an immediate way in the genocide of Serbs," the hierarch of the RPTs said.
     
    Metropolitan Ilarion cited a number of other arguments showing why the unification of the churches is not a prospect for the foreseeable future. These include numerous attempts to impose Unia upon Orthodox believers, which were made by the Catholics during the Crusades, as well as the modern active anti-Orthodox activity of Uniates in Ukraine. (tr. by PDS, posted 1 May 2018 )


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    Re: Moscow patriarchate leader bears grudge against Catholics
    « Reply #1 on: May 05, 2018, 04:45:16 AM »
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  • I think that this is because the heirarch doesn't want to see a reunification with the Catholic Church. If he did all of these filioque disputes would go away.


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    Re: Moscow patriarchate leader bears grudge against Catholics
    « Reply #2 on: May 05, 2018, 06:52:48 AM »
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  • This has more to do with nationalism than doctrine.

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    Re: Moscow patriarchate leader bears grudge against Catholics
    « Reply #3 on: May 05, 2018, 09:32:09 AM »
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  • This has more to do with nationalism than doctrine.
    Indeed. The Orthodox Church is heavily tied to nationality - much more so than Catholics these days, barring the Irish. In Russia, to be ethnically Russian is to be Orthodox. In Greek, to be ethnically Greek is to be Orthodox. That's one of the reasons why some of these nations are 90%+ Orthodox.

    He can say this without much rebuke because Russia has four Catholic dioceses, one of them is half of the country and likely no native-born Russian clergy. There has never been a Catholic presence in Russia and there never will be.
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    Re: Moscow patriarchate leader bears grudge against Catholics
    « Reply #4 on: May 05, 2018, 11:05:46 AM »
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  • To me this suggests that the russian orthodox are more likely candidates for true reunion than bartholemew and the greeks.  Because, the union the greeks and other non russia orthodox are referring to is reunion with modernist rome.  And, that is not reunion with catholicism, and not a good thing.  So, good for the russians to feel this way.  And, I also have gripes about canonization in the past 500 years.  So, that is not a barrier between the russians and catholicism as I understand it.  Reform really will spring from tradition and russian orthodoxy in some way or another working together.  That is how I understand fatima being fulfilled.  I do not understand fatima in the sense that modernists will be involved.   Modernist bishops praying some consecration prayer coordinated by way of time zones is not going to do anything.  Fatima is going to be fulfilled when traditionalists take from the russion orthodox the good that they have, and embrace it for ourselves.  And, for the russians, they will have to take from tradition the good we have to offer.  The russians precisely have what tradition seems to want.  And, what tradition seems to want is political help.  Because, all we do is complain about Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.  And, that is a political problem.  The russians do not seem to have political problems to our degree.  But, the russians do not have catholic morality or understanding of the importance and benefit of papacy.  They allow contraception and divorce, and have no defense against regal intrusion(benefit of papacy).  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15