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Offline Plenus Venter

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Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2023, 05:53:45 PM »
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    • I heard on good authority just a couple of days ago that both Bishop Tissier, on a recent episcopal visit, and a certain district superior both confided to certain souls that the Society would consecrate a bishop within the next 5 years, that it would go through the process of seeking Roman approval but would consecrate with or without it.
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    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #16 on: September 19, 2023, 06:30:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Plenus Venter on September 19, 2023, 05:49:42 PM
    Yes, right on.
    Ironically, Bishop Tissier has perhaps done more damage than anyone in terms of steering the sinking ship into the harbour of Newrome.
    I recall a conference given by Michael Davies in the 1980s at Powers Lake with Fr Nelson, in which he explained that the revolution in the Church owed its almost complete success to the most conservative priests - the ones that the faithful loved and trusted, who reassured the faithful and encouraged them to 'stay in the Church' and submit to authority, obey the Holy Father etc. The faithful would never have followed the out and out modernist revolutionaries, he said, but because these good parish priests that they trusted reassured them they stayed put and resistance was nullified. How many of the 'conservative wing' of the SSPX priests and faithful owe their fidelity to the neo-SSPX to Bishop Tissier, who would have otherwise been resisting? Bishop Tissier long ago changed his tune from anti-accord to pro-accord and anti-resistance.

    Agree completely. 

    Aside from +Fellay, or perhaps even moreso, +de Mallerais and Fr. de Cacqueray (former French District Superior) bear the heaviest blame, since without their acquiescence, the ralliement never could have progressed.
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    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #17 on: September 19, 2023, 06:35:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Plenus Venter on September 19, 2023, 05:53:45 PM
    I heard on good authority just a couple of days ago that both Bishop Tissier, on a recent episcopal visit, and a certain district superior both confided to certain souls that the Society would consecrate a bishop within the next 5 years, that it would go through the process of seeking Roman approval but would consecrate with or without it.

    I don’t doubt they said it, but it is inconceivable that after condemning the consecration of +Faure for having proceeded without papal approval, they themselves would do so.

    I could, however, imagine them pretending to consecrate without explicit approval (with a wink from Rome), to pretend to have escaped Roman subservience, but rest assured, whomever is consecrated will have at least tacit permission from Rome.
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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #18 on: September 19, 2023, 08:20:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Angelus on September 19, 2023, 05:08:58 PM
    Like this one... "bishop" Thomas Gullickson. Good friends with "bishop" Huonder and the neo-SSPX. Was Apostolic Nuncio to Switzerland just a few years ago. Now, conveniently, "retired" and living in South Dakota.

    https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bgull.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gullickson

    https://fsspx.news/en/news-events/news/switzerland-new-nuncio-judged-too-traditionalist-23377


    You burst my bubble. Here, I think Pagliarani might bring some sanity to the missions and Priory, and it looks like he may add fuel to an already flaming fire.

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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #19 on: September 19, 2023, 08:29:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on September 19, 2023, 05:10:40 PM
    Interesting he picks the most liberal priest in the US Sistrict to rest with.

    The CCCC thread has scandalous pics of Pagliarani, Vernoy, and others riding roller coasters.  What a sight that must have been for onlookers (one step away from Novus Ordo priests boogying down at Mass).

    Will they be hitting Disney World this visit?

    Rome would surely approve!  Perhaps that’s the point?

    There is a great deal of chaos in the Florida missions. The priory has become a circus. I’m not saying there are not good priests here, but the leadership is weak.
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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #20 on: September 19, 2023, 08:43:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Angelus on September 19, 2023, 05:08:58 PM
    Like this one... "bishop" Thomas Gullickson. Good friends with "bishop" Huonder and the neo-SSPX. Was Apostolic Nuncio to Switzerland just a few years ago. Now, conveniently, "retired" and living in South Dakota.

    https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bgull.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gullickson

    https://fsspx.news/en/news-events/news/switzerland-new-nuncio-judged-too-traditionalist-23377
    Just out of curiosity, got to wonder why this bishop was never appointed to a diocese, even as an auxiliary bishop.  Is that common?

    Maybe had to do with his traditionalist sympathies?
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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #21 on: September 19, 2023, 09:48:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on September 19, 2023, 08:43:25 PM
    Just out of curiosity, got to wonder why this bishop was never appointed to a diocese, even as an auxiliary bishop.  Is that common?

    Maybe had to do with his traditionalist sympathies?

    He was obviously very close to someone in the office of the Vatican Secretary of State. He must have been seen as "useful" to someone "important," like Sodano, Bertone, or his own principal consecrator, who was a functionary in the Secretary of State.

    He was a Vatican diplomat like Vigano.
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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #22 on: September 20, 2023, 09:13:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on September 19, 2023, 08:43:25 PM
    Just out of curiosity, got to wonder why this bishop was never appointed to a diocese, even as an auxiliary bishop.  Is that common?

    Maybe had to do with his traditionalist sympathies?

    There are many bishops who never work on a particular diocese. They are mostly diplomats, or people who occupy high positions in the Roman Curia.

    A good example is Pope Pius XII.

    He was a bishop for almost 22 years before becoming Pope, and he was never attached to any diocese. He was always a diplomat, even when he was still just a priest.
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    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #23 on: September 20, 2023, 09:57:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on September 19, 2023, 07:25:28 AM
    • They are ALREADY preparing the faithful for eventual consecrations by keeping the conversation in the public domain and raising expectations for their eventuality (just as +Fellay did by his constant conferences about “relations with Rome”

    This empty announcement by the accordist blog Rorate Coeli is simply more of the same:

    Keep the idea of new SSPX bishops alive in the Traddieland consciousness, and when it happens, it will seem to have simply been inevitable, and natural.  Expected, even.

    ”Hey, we’re trads, but we’re not the enemy of the Hoky Father!  Why shouldn’t we accept the bishops he gives us?  It corrects the injustice we’ve operated under all these years!”

    Rorate Coeli is simply chipping in toward that end by posting this one-paragraph blurb.
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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #24 on: September 20, 2023, 10:17:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on September 20, 2023, 09:57:18 PM
    This empty announcement by the accordist blog Rorate Coeli is simply more of the same:

    Keep the idea of new SSPX bishops alive in the Traddieland consciousness, and when it happens, it will seem to have simply been inevitable, and natural.  Expected, even.

    ”Hey, we’re trads, but we’re not the enemy of the Hoky Father!  Why shouldn’t we accept the bishops he gives us?  It corrects the injustice we’ve operated under all these years!”

    Rorate Coeli is simply chipping in toward that end by posting this one-paragraph blurb.

    Yes, the technique is known as predictive programming.
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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #25 on: September 22, 2023, 10:29:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on September 20, 2023, 09:57:18 PM
    This empty announcement by the accordist blog Rorate Coeli is simply more of the same:

    Keep the idea of new SSPX bishops alive in the Traddieland consciousness, and when it happens, it will seem to have simply been inevitable, and natural.  Expected, even.

    ”Hey, we’re trads, but we’re not the enemy of the Hoky Father!  Why shouldn’t we accept the bishops he gives us?  It corrects the injustice we’ve operated under all these years!”

    Rorate Coeli is simply chipping in toward that end by posting this one-paragraph blurb.

    Sean,
    Are you a Sede now?
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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #26 on: September 22, 2023, 10:31:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: BrianA on September 22, 2023, 10:29:16 PM
    Sean,
    Are you a Sede now?

    It was a typo not worth correcting :laugh2:
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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #27 on: September 22, 2023, 10:35:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: BrianA on September 22, 2023, 10:29:16 PM
    Sean,
    Are you a Sede now?

    Sean communicates with and supports the hidden pontiff.


                                   Pope Viggy
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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #28 on: September 23, 2023, 10:49:23 AM »
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    • I will believe it when I see it.
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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #29 on: September 23, 2023, 07:11:03 PM »
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    • From the prior of our chapel:

    “You may have heard about the upcoming project of the SSPX to consecrate more bishops.  Tomorrow I will let you know what the priests have been told about it.”
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