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Offline 2Vermont

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More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
« on: September 19, 2023, 07:07:22 AM »
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  • RORATE CÆLI: Heard in the SSPX Priories: A Consecration of New Bishops for the SSPX is coming, sooner rather than later (rorate-caeli.blogspot.com)

    Heard in the SSPX Priories: A Consecration of New Bishops for the SSPX is coming, sooner rather than later

     We can't add much more right now, but talk is growing.

    The SSPX leadership will obviously request Rome's approval, as Abp. Lefebvre himself requested in 1987/1988 (with unclear, then clear, results...), but what exactly will unfold is unclear at the moment.

    We'll have more to add soon.


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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #1 on: September 19, 2023, 07:25:28 AM »
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  • I wrote this to a Resistance priest on June 6:


    I am convinced the rumor of June episcopal consecrations was a “probing” exercise (otherwise known as a “trial balloon”), which is a military tactic, whereby the enemy’s defenses and reactions are tested, to gauge the level of danger for the actual attack to come later.

    In this case, the Huonder Hoky oils consecration was the first probe.  Menzingen and Rome observe the reaction.  Then, around the same time, a “leak” regarding episcopal consecrations is permitted.  Once again, Rome and Menzingen observe.  They analyze the arguments of the Resistance, as well as those from within the SSPX.

    Rome and Menzingen have thereby accomplished two things important tactical victories:

    • They are ALREADY preparing the faithful for eventual consecrations by keeping the conversation in the public domain and raising expectations for their eventuality (just as +Fellay did by his constant conferences about “relations with Rome”);
    • They now have time to analyze our objections, and prepare counterattacks against them.

    One has to admire the tactical acuмen with which the captors of Tradition operate.


    Semper Idem,
    Sean Johnson”




    Look for a new wrinkle in this latest round of rumors, as fruits of the aforementioned reconnaissance operation.
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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #2 on: September 19, 2023, 07:47:01 AM »
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  • Shortly before this, I received photographic evidence from a Resistance priest of a text message thread/conversation he had with an SSPX priest, who wrote that Fr. Pagliarani had instructed priests to prepare/condition the faithful for the eventuality of episcopal consecrations.
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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #3 on: September 19, 2023, 09:24:17 AM »
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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #4 on: September 19, 2023, 09:35:58 AM »
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  • All I know for sure:

    You will NOT have, at any time in the near future, a GLORIOUS consecration of bishops like in 1988.

    By "glorious" I mean:

    Uncompromising, steadfast fortitude standing up for the Catholic Faith and Tradition, in heroic opposition to Modernist Rome, with a saintly bishop at the center, acting like St. Athanasius of old. No compromise, instilling hope in all who attended and watched the ceremony.

    No, any neo-SSPX consecration of bishops would be tainted, compromised -- the only question is, in WHAT way(s).
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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #5 on: September 19, 2023, 11:17:50 AM »
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  • How may I taint thee, let me count the ways.......

    Thus will end the neosspx, not with a bang of a whimper, but with the arrogant bleat of compromised clerics as they embrace the wolf of modern Rome with joyous ease before conciliar fangs tear into their sheepish faces.

    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster

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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #6 on: September 19, 2023, 12:11:22 PM »
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  • Shortly before this, I received photographic evidence from a Resistance priest of a text message thread/conversation he had with an SSPX priest, who wrote that Fr. Pagliarani had instructed priests to prepare/condition the faithful for the eventuality of episcopal consecrations.
    Dear Sean,
    Fr. Pagliarani will be in Sanford, Florida the week of Oct. 8 to rest, according to Fr. Vernoy.

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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #7 on: September 19, 2023, 01:28:32 PM »
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  • Shortly before this, I received photographic evidence from a Resistance priest of a text message thread/conversation he had with an SSPX priest, who wrote that Fr. Pagliarani had instructed priests to prepare/condition the faithful for the eventuality of episcopal consecrations.
    Our priest gave a homily on Sunday doing this very thing. He gave some history on the 1988 consecration, the backlash, and that there has to be new Bishops in the society. 


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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #8 on: September 19, 2023, 02:50:24 PM »
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  • All I know for sure:

    You will NOT have, at any time in the near future, a GLORIOUS consecration of bishops like in 1988.

    By "glorious" I mean:

    Uncompromising, steadfast fortitude standing up for the Catholic Faith and Tradition, in heroic opposition to Modernist Rome, with a saintly bishop at the center, acting like St. Athanasius of old. No compromise, instilling hope in all who attended and watched the ceremony.

    No, any neo-SSPX consecration of bishops would be tainted, compromised -- the only question is, in WHAT way(s).
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    If--and that's a big if, I think-- SSPX leadership is indeed giving instructions to prepare the faithful for consecrations, that makes me think SSPX leadership is prepared to perform the consecrations with or without the Vatican's permission. 
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    15 years ago no such preparation would be necessary. The frogs are boiled by now though. Consecrating without Bergoglio's permission would, I think, be a bigger shock to the rank and file than consecrating with his permission. Hence the need for "preparation".
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    As far as the consecrations being compromised, retrospect tells us that 75% of the men +ABL consecrated ended up reshaping the society to be a pleasing debutante for the conciliar church. You can technically get more compromised than that, I guess. But not a whole lot. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #9 on: September 19, 2023, 03:29:53 PM »
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  • As far as the consecrations being compromised, retrospect tells us that 75% of the men +ABL consecrated ended up reshaping the society to be a pleasing debutante for the conciliar church. You can technically get more compromised than that, I guess. But not a whole lot.

    Uh, no. You can get a WHOLE LOT more compromised than +ABL.

    And his failure rate was 25%, not 75%. Only +Fellay turned out to be an accordista. That's 1 out of 4. And the "failure" (+Fellay) was tacked on at the end, at the last minute, at the urging of Swiss benefactors, you will note. ;)

    Have you seen the writings of +Tissier de Mallerais? His problem was more "old and retired" and "not hero material" -- but certainly not as you say "reshaping the society to be a pleasing debutante for the conciliar church".

    Indeed, what has +De Mallerais been up to since 2012? Sidelined, retired, out of public view. Has he been working or preparing, moving the SSPX *in any way* towards the Conciliar Church? I think not.
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    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #10 on: September 19, 2023, 04:41:05 PM »
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  • Uh, no. You can get a WHOLE LOT more compromised than +ABL.

    And his failure rate was 25%, not 75%. Only +Fellay turned out to be an accordista. That's 1 out of 4. And the "failure" (+Fellay) was tacked on at the end, at the last minute, at the urging of Swiss benefactors, you will note. ;)

    Have you seen the writings of +Tissier de Mallerais? His problem was more "old and retired" and "not hero material" -- but certainly not as you say "reshaping the society to be a pleasing debutante for the conciliar church".

    Indeed, what has +De Mallerais been up to since 2012? Sidelined, retired, out of public view. Has he been working or preparing, moving the SSPX *in any way* towards the Conciliar Church? I think not.

    I beg to differ: It is crystal clear that 3 of the 4 bishops are accordista.

    And as regards +de Mallerais, I quoted his as saying in 2016: "But now there is obviously on the part of Pope Francis , a provision to recognize us without these conditions.  We say go!" (As We Are?, p. 26).

    There couldn't be a clearer example of +de Mallerais desiring an accord with modernist Rome.
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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #11 on: September 19, 2023, 04:46:37 PM »
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  • Dear Sean,
    Fr. Pagliarani will be in Sanford, Florida the week of Oct. 8 to rest, according to Fr. Vernoy.

       
    As you know, Texana, the Sanford Priory, and the Florida missions are a mess. Let's hope Pagliarani does something about it, but I doubt it.  More likely, he's getting ready to introduce the new Novus ordo/SSPX bishops.

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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #12 on: September 19, 2023, 05:08:58 PM »
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    As you know, Texana, the Sanford Priory, and the Florida missions are a mess. Let's hope Pagliarani does something about it, but I doubt it.  More likely, he's getting ready to introduce the new Novus ordo/SSPX bishops.

    Like this one... "bishop" Thomas Gullickson. Good friends with "bishop" Huonder and the neo-SSPX. Was Apostolic Nuncio to Switzerland just a few years ago. Now, conveniently, "retired" and living in South Dakota. 

    https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bgull.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gullickson

    https://fsspx.news/en/news-events/news/switzerland-new-nuncio-judged-too-traditionalist-23377

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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #13 on: September 19, 2023, 05:10:40 PM »
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  • Dear Sean,
    Fr. Pagliarani will be in Sanford, Florida the week of Oct. 8 to rest, according to Fr. Vernoy.

    Interesting he picks the most liberal priest in the US Sistrict to rest with.

    The CCCC thread has scandalous pics of Pagliarani, Vernoy, and others riding roller coasters.  What a sight that must have been for onlookers (one step away from Novus Ordo priests boogying down at Mass).

    Will they be hitting Disney World this visit?

    Rome would surely approve!  Perhaps that’s the point?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: More rumors about new SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #14 on: September 19, 2023, 05:49:42 PM »
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  • I beg to differ: It is crystal clear that 3 of the 4 bishops are accordista.

    And as regards +de Mallerais, I quoted his as saying in 2016: "But now there is obviously on the part of Pope Francis , a provision to recognize us without these conditions.  We say go!" (As We Are?, p. 26).

    There couldn't be a clearer example of +de Mallerais desiring an accord with modernist Rome.
    Yes, right on.
    Ironically, Bishop Tissier has perhaps done more damage than anyone in terms of steering the sinking ship into the harbour of Newrome.
    I recall a conference given by Michael Davies in the 1980s at Powers Lake with Fr Nelson, in which he explained that the revolution in the Church owed its almost complete success to the most conservative priests - the ones that the faithful loved and trusted, who reassured the faithful and encouraged them to 'stay in the Church' and submit to authority, obey the Holy Father etc. The faithful would never have followed the out and out modernist revolutionaries, he said, but because these good parish priests that they trusted reassured them they stayed put and resistance was nullified. How many of the 'conservative wing' of the SSPX priests and faithful owe their fidelity to the neo-SSPX to Bishop Tissier, who would have otherwise been resisting? Bishop Tissier long ago changed his tune from anti-accord to pro-accord and anti-resistance.