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Offline TKGS

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« on: January 25, 2012, 05:22:32 PM »
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    There are sedevacantists here, InfiniteFaith (Augustinian being one of them), since you keep asking people if they are sedes.

    The purpose of the SSPX was to uphold Tradition when Archbishop LeFebvre was its superior... the last few years though, it appears Bishop Fellay has a different purpose in mind.


    If it wasn't for the SSPX, today there likely would be only be an independent priest here and there, from dubious ordinations like the "Thuc line". Most of the sede priests were ordained by the SSPX, no? Moreover, there would be no indult mass, no Fraternity of St. Peter and such.


    I would like to know why anyone thinks the "Thuc line" is dubious.  The only "evidence" I've ever seen or heard is calumny.  nadieimportante is generally quite sound in his thinking, so I am curious why he (or others) would consider this line to be "dubious."
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    « Reply #1 on: January 25, 2012, 05:30:55 PM »
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    • Even the best of us get sold a line of tripe sometimes.  A lot of that is going around these days and most especially on Cathinfo.
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    « Reply #2 on: January 25, 2012, 06:10:07 PM »
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    • I said this before, but it falls on deaf ears.  Here in Spokane there is a NOVUS ORDO, pastor, who personally knew Thuc and says he was sane and knew what he was doing, nothing dubious about him.   Now consider that since he is Novus Ordo he would have an agenda to say the opposite about him.  

    Yet, we have "so-called" Catholics here on the forum that love to describe him as dubious and other such words.  I wonder who are the true Catholics sometime, I don't always know but feel confident that God knows.  

    We know the end of the story, Trust God, and let Him bring this madness to its end.  

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    « Reply #3 on: January 27, 2012, 12:40:44 PM »
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    • Not that my opinion is of any particular merit, but I don't see any reason to think that Thuc lines are in and of themselves invalid, I am certainly not a sedevacantist, ane have no problem with correctly celebrated NO Masses, so I could have the same agenda as the pastor Myrna mentioned
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    « Reply #4 on: January 27, 2012, 02:34:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: TKGS
    This was posted on another topic:

    Quote from: nadieimportante
    Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
    There are sedevacantists here, InfiniteFaith (Augustinian being one of them), since you keep asking people if they are sedes.

    The purpose of the SSPX was to uphold Tradition when Archbishop LeFebvre was its superior... the last few years though, it appears Bishop Fellay has a different purpose in mind.


    If it wasn't for the SSPX, today there likely would be only be an independent priest here and there, from dubious ordinations like the "Thuc line". Most of the sede priests were ordained by the SSPX, no? Moreover, there would be no indult mass, no Fraternity of St. Peter and such.


    I would like to know why anyone thinks the "Thuc line" is dubious.  The only "evidence" I've ever seen or heard is calumny.  nadieimportante is generally quite sound in his thinking, so I am curious why he (or others) would consider this line to be "dubious."


    Because insanity could be an impediment to intent, and for this reason the Thucydides consecrations will be forever doubtful.
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    « Reply #5 on: January 27, 2012, 02:35:19 PM »
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    This was posted on another topic:

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    There are sedevacantists here, InfiniteFaith (Augustinian being one of them), since you keep asking people if they are sedes.

    The purpose of the SSPX was to uphold Tradition when Archbishop LeFebvre was its superior... the last few years though, it appears Bishop Fellay has a different purpose in mind.


    If it wasn't for the SSPX, today there likely would be only be an independent priest here and there, from dubious ordinations like the "Thuc line". Most of the sede priests were ordained by the SSPX, no? Moreover, there would be no indult mass, no Fraternity of St. Peter and such.


    I would like to know why anyone thinks the "Thuc line" is dubious.  The only "evidence" I've ever seen or heard is calumny.  nadieimportante is generally quite sound in his thinking, so I am curious why he (or others) would consider this line to be "dubious."


    Because insanity could be an impediment to intent, and for this reason the Thucydides consecrations will be forever doubtful.


    Thuc consecrations, that is.
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    « Reply #6 on: January 27, 2012, 03:26:56 PM »
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    « Reply #7 on: January 27, 2012, 08:35:39 PM »
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    This was posted on another topic:

    Quote from: nadieimportante
    Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
    There are sedevacantists here, InfiniteFaith (Augustinian being one of them), since you keep asking people if they are sedes.

    The purpose of the SSPX was to uphold Tradition when Archbishop LeFebvre was its superior... the last few years though, it appears Bishop Fellay has a different purpose in mind.


    If it wasn't for the SSPX, today there likely would be only be an independent priest here and there, from dubious ordinations like the "Thuc line". Most of the sede priests were ordained by the SSPX, no? Moreover, there would be no indult mass, no Fraternity of St. Peter and such.


    I would like to know why anyone thinks the "Thuc line" is dubious.  The only "evidence" I've ever seen or heard is calumny.  nadieimportante is generally quite sound in his thinking, so I am curious why he (or others) would consider this line to be "dubious."


    Because insanity could be an impediment to intent, and for this reason the Thucydides consecrations will be forever doubtful.


    Thuc consecrations, that is.


    Archbishop Thuc was in his right mind.

    http://www.thucbishops.com/

    http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/audio/07_06_05Thuc_Webster.mp3
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    « Reply #8 on: January 27, 2012, 09:14:25 PM »
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    • Archbishop Thuc may not have been in perfect mental health, and he exhibited poor judgement at times, but I know of nothing to suggest that he was incapable of having a valid intention to ordain an of carrying out the rite correctly
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    « Reply #9 on: January 28, 2012, 12:11:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Hermenegild
    Thuc went along with the heresies of Vatican 2 and said the Novus Ordo. Based on that one would have to question his status as a Catholic bishop.


    I can understand you saying this if a priest has assured you that it's so.  But you really ought to check into this more deeply.

     
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    « Reply #10 on: January 28, 2012, 01:45:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: Sigismund
    Archbishop Thuc may not have been in perfect mental health, and he exhibited poor judgement at times, but I know of nothing to suggest that he was incapable of having a valid intention to ordain an of carrying out the rite correctly


    He exhibited very poor judgment at times, but there is no evidence that would justify a positive doubt as to his mental fitness.  So, I certainly agree that there is "nothing to suggest that he was incapable of having a valid intention to ordain an of carrying out the rite correctly."  From what I have heard, he was never senile and kept his full mental sharpness until he was last seen (i.e., before he was kidnapped).  Anyway, the SSPV claims that his line is positively dubious, but they have no grounds for claiming a positive doubt, and should know better.  Their refusal to be in communion with other Catholics on this score is frankly schismatic.
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    « Reply #11 on: January 28, 2012, 08:13:18 AM »
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     Anyway, the SSPV claims that his line is positively dubious, but they have no grounds for claiming a positive doubt, and should know better.  Their refusal to be in communion with other Catholics on this score is frankly schismatic.


    They state boldly that Thuc was either insane or evil, and this is why I thought Hermen was being so vague about the Archbishop.  

    This throws people off the scent of the Bp. Mendez stories.



     
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    « Reply #12 on: January 28, 2012, 08:56:34 AM »
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     Anyway, the SSPV claims that his line is positively dubious, but they have no grounds for claiming a positive doubt, and should know better.  Their refusal to be in communion with other Catholics on this score is frankly schismatic.


    They state boldly that Thuc was either insane or evil, and this is why I thought Hermen was being so vague about the Archbishop.  

    This throws people off the scent of the Bp. Mendez stories.


    Maybe, yet the "Thuc issue" predates the Bp. Mendez consecration of Bp. Kelly. Remember, Fr. Cekada wrote while still in the SSPV, as " peregrinus", the tract "Two Bishops in Every Garage."

    I have heard that the criticism of Mendez consecration caused an escalation of the SSPV rhetoric regarding Thuc, the consecrator of Bp. Dolan.

     Another "pissing match" in SW Ohio, hard to believe, isn't it?
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    « Reply #13 on: January 28, 2012, 10:12:11 AM »
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    • Another example might be, posting here and later thinking about what you are posting.  
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    « Reply #14 on: January 28, 2012, 10:41:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: PereJoseph
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    Archbishop Thuc may not have been in perfect mental health, and he exhibited poor judgement at times, but I know of nothing to suggest that he was incapable of having a valid intention to ordain an of carrying out the rite correctly


    He exhibited very poor judgment at times, but there is no evidence that would justify a positive doubt as to his mental fitness.  So, I certainly agree that there is "nothing to suggest that he was incapable of having a valid intention to ordain an of carrying out the rite correctly."  From what I have heard, he was never senile and kept his full mental sharpness until he was last seen (i.e., before he was kidnapped).  Anyway, the SSPV claims that his line is positively dubious, but they have no grounds for claiming a positive doubt, and should know better.  Their refusal to be in communion with other Catholics on this score is frankly schismatic.


    Schismatics calling other schismatics schismatics is quite entertaining. :popcorn:
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