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Offline Marcellinus

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Re: More on anti-Christ pectoral cross
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2025, 05:06:35 PM »
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  • The pope never carried anything until Paul VI...
    So does the pope not carry anything in procession?
    No he doesn't carry a crozier he doesn't carry anything...you know that he's the pope he does special things you see- and no- that was invented by Paul VI
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    That's not true.. The pope has carried a ferula since at least the Middle Ages.  

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    Re: More on anti-Christ pectoral cross
    « Reply #31 on: June 05, 2025, 05:22:05 PM »
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  • That's not true.. The pope has carried a ferula since at least the Middle Ages. 
    Those words are Bishop Sanborn's not mine.  Bishop Sanborn said the exact opposite of what you said here.  Can you find any examples?
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    Re: More on anti-Christ pectoral cross
    « Reply #32 on: June 05, 2025, 05:26:27 PM »
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  • Those words are Bishop Sanborn's not mine.  Bishop Sanborn said the exact opposite of what you said here.  Can you find any examples?
    Maria Regina, remember, just "trust the plan". :laugh1: Where's Q Anon? :laugh2:

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    Re: More on anti-Christ pectoral cross
    « Reply #33 on: June 05, 2025, 08:34:58 PM »
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  • Those words are Bishop Sanborn's not mine.  Bishop Sanborn said the exact opposite of what you said here.  Can you find any examples?
    A simple Google search for "papal ferula" will give you all you need.  Its use has been sporadic, but even Pius IX used one.  Ratzinger is seen here carrying the very ferula that Pius IX used.



    When did Bp. Sanborn make this statement?  Do you have evidence of this?

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    Re: More on anti-Christ pectoral cross
    « Reply #34 on: June 05, 2025, 09:08:22 PM »
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  • A simple Google search for "papal ferula" will give you all you need.  Its use has been sporadic, but even Pius IX used one.  Ratzinger is seen here carrying the very ferula that Pius IX used.



    When did Bp. Sanborn make this statement?  Do you have evidence of this?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_ferula


    Early usage and dispute

    Traditionally, the popes did not use any ferula, crosier, or pastoral staff as part of the papal liturgy.  The use of a staff is not mentioned in descriptions of Papal Masses in the Ordines Romani. In the early days of the Church a pope would sometimes carry a crosier, but this practice disappeared by the time of Pope Innocent III. He noted in his De Sacro altaris mysterio ("Concerning the Sacred Mystery of the Altar", I, 62): "The Roman Pontiff does not use the shepherd's staff." The reason was that a crosier is often given by the metropolitan archbishop (or another bishop) to a newly elected bishop during his investiture or episcopal ordination. In contrast, the pope does not receive investiture from another bishop and is invested with the pallium during his coronation or the modern inauguration.

    Re-adoption

    During the High Middle Ages, the popes once again began using a staff known as a ferula as part of their insignia. It signified temporal power and governance, which included "the power to mete out punishment and impose penances". The actual form of the staves from this period is not well known, but they were most probably staffs topped with a knob and surmounted by a single-barred cross. The staff was not a common liturgical item, and its use was limited to a few extraordinary celebrations proper to the pope, such as the opening of the Holy Door and the consecration of churches, during which the pope "took hold of the staff to knock on the door three times and to trace the Greek and Latin letters on the floor of the church".

    Modern usage

    The pastoral staff carried by the popes since Pope Paul VI is a contemporary single-barred crucifix, designed by the Italian artist Lello Scorzelli in 1963 and carried and used in the same manner as a bishop uses his crosier. Paul VI had actually used three other ferulas, similar in style, with the other versions having a cross bar which was straight, or bent upward. Scorzelli's well-known version has the cross bar curving downward, much like the paterissa carried by bishops of the Eastern Catholic Churches.[5] Paul VI first used this staff on 8 December 1965, at the closing of the Second Vatican Council. The Scorzelli staff was the one retained by his successors, starting with Pope John Paul I. This ferula design is often associated with Pope John Paul II and is one of his identifying attributes in religious paintings and statuary.

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    Re: More on anti-Christ pectoral cross
    « Reply #35 on: June 06, 2025, 05:13:17 AM »
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  • ”On 16 March 2008, at the [color=var(--color-visited,#6a60b0)]Palm Sunday[/color]celebrations in [color=var(--color-visited,#6a60b0)]Saint Peter's Square[/color][color=var(--color-visited,#6a60b0)]Pope Benedict XVI[/color] used the ferula of Pius IX.[color=var(--color-visited,#6a60b0)][6][/iurl][/font][/size][/color] “

    Why did you leave this part out?  It is from the very same Wikipedia article you quoted!

    Because it doesn’t fit the narrative of carrying a ferula somehow equates to a spawn of Satan?

    While I certainly do not believe Prevost to be a valid pope, it is this this ridiculous intellectual dishonesty that makes us look like fanatical idiots and frankly, it has to stop.