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Offline Ladislaus

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More Heresy from Un-Catholic Answers
« on: April 01, 2025, 12:26:02 PM »
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    • I couldn't believe this when I saw it ...
    https://www.catholic.com/qa/apart-from-gods-saving-works-no-one-can-be-saved-so-how-can-atheists-be-saved-just-by-acting

    States that atheists can be saved as long as their inculpable, sincere, and practice corporal works of mercy.

    So not only is there no more need for explicit faith in Christ and the Holy Trinity but also no need for even belief in the Rewarder God.

    I've said it before that 90% of the time those guys could sound Catholic ... but when it comes to EENS and ecclesiology, that's where the Catholic wheels fall off their wagon.  That also highlights once again that this Crisis in the Church ... "it's about EENS, stupid!".

    I'm shocked (as Rahner was) how few Trads realize that this is in fact THE core / fundamental error and heresy of the Conciliar Revolution, and how all the Conciliar errors derive from this.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: More Heresy from Un-Catholic Answers
    « Reply #1 on: April 01, 2025, 12:27:13 PM »
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    • This is downright nauseating ...
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    ... God can choose to save someone who is unable in conscience to believe God exists but lives as best he can according to the knowledge he does have.

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    Offline WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat

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    Re: More Heresy from Un-Catholic Answers
    « Reply #2 on: April 01, 2025, 12:43:54 PM »
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    • Yep. "Bishop" Barron personifies Un-Catholic Answers Deceptions. He is on public record, in video, saying "even atheists can make it to Heaven, if they are of good will". I clipped that portion of his interview and posted it on my YT channel titled "The Apostasy of false bishop Barron" a number of times, and each time he notified YT of a copyright infringement after it was able to post and remain for a while, and had it deleted and strikes against me. JEWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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    Re: More Heresy from Un-Catholic Answers
    « Reply #3 on: April 01, 2025, 01:02:36 PM »
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    • Then there is the luminous mysteries in Latin and Divine Mercy chaplet replacing stations of the cross or rosary. 
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    Offline MiracleOfTheSun

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    Re: More Heresy from Un-Catholic Answers
    « Reply #4 on: April 01, 2025, 01:06:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 01, 2025, 12:26:02 PM
    I couldn't believe this when I saw it ...
    https://www.catholic.com/qa/apart-from-gods-saving-works-no-one-can-be-saved-so-how-can-atheists-be-saved-just-by-acting

    States that atheists can be saved as long as their inculpable, sincere, and practice corporal works of mercy.

    Well isn't this what the pope teaches?  Is the pope Catholic?  haha
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    Re: More Heresy from Un-Catholic Answers
    « Reply #5 on: April 01, 2025, 01:44:55 PM »
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    States that atheists can be saved as long as their inculpable, sincere, and practice corporal works of mercy.

    So not only is there no more need for explicit faith in Christ and the Holy Trinity but also no need for even belief in the Rewarder God.

    I've said it before that 90% of the time those guys could sound Catholic ... but when it comes to EENS and ecclesiology, that's where the Catholic wheels fall off their wagon.  That also highlights once again that this Crisis in the Church ... "it's about EENS, stupid!".

    I'm shocked (as Rahner was) how few Trads realize that this is in fact THE core / fundamental error and heresy of the Conciliar Revolution, and how all the Conciliar errors derive from this.
    Right.  And most people (still) don't get that the reason WHY the modernists have to destroy EENS is because the notion that "only good catholics can get saved" is a stumbling block to the antichrist global-religion.  You can't build a modern 'Tower of Babel' if 1 billion catholics (pre-V2 orthodoxy) won't go along.  You can't build a new-age, ecuмenical, everyone-loves-each-other, and everyone-is-saved, one-world religion if the Church is allowed to rebel and fight against such a notion.


    You must destroy EENS to prepare for antichrist.  It's that simple.
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    Re: More Heresy from Un-Catholic Answers
    « Reply #6 on: April 01, 2025, 01:50:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: MiracleOfTheSun on April 01, 2025, 01:06:52 PM
    Well isn't this what the pope teaches?  Is the pope Catholic?  haha
    That's exactly what Bergoglio has taught publicly. 
    A year or two ago he told some little boy whose father was an atheist and committed ѕυιcιdє that he was in heaven.
    It was at some outdoor event and the whole crowd clapped and thought it was wonderful.
    Not only did I see the video of this but also read the related news stories and the comment sections were filled with
    praise for Bergoglio by agnostics, atheists, novus ordos, prots, etc. 
    It was as if they all felt they too would be getting a free ride to the pearly gates and could go right on living as reprobates.

     
      
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    Re: More Heresy from Un-Catholic Answers
    « Reply #7 on: April 01, 2025, 02:15:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on April 01, 2025, 01:44:55 PM
    Right.  And most people (still) don't get that the reason WHY the modernists have to destroy EENS is because the notion that "only good catholics can get saved" is a stumbling block to the antichrist global-religion.  You can't build a modern 'Tower of Babel' if 1 billion catholics (pre-V2 orthodoxy) won't go along.  You can't build a new-age, ecuмenical, everyone-loves-each-other, and everyone-is-saved, one-world religion if the Church is allowed to rebel and fight against such a notion.


    You must destroy EENS to prepare for antichrist.  It's that simple.

    Yeah, and the most devastating consequence of EENS denial isn't so much quibbling about the criteria for who gets saved and who doesn't, since in one sense it's none of my business whom God wishes to save.

    IT'S ALL ABOUT THE ECCLESIOLOGY

    If non-Catholics can be saved, and now even atheists, since it's dogma (thrice defined) that there's no salvation outisde the Church, with one definition saying you have to join the Church BEFORE you die (so you can't say you just join the Church as part of the Church Triumphant but were not part of the Church Militant), that means that this "Church" (Militant) must somehow include not only actual Catholics, but also the various other heretics, schismatics, Jews, infidels, and now evidently also atheists who are going to be saved.

    What does this due to the Church?  It completely guts it, and wrecks Catholic ecclesiology.

    That is in fact V2 ecclesiology in a nutshell, and all the V2 errors flow logically from this model.
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    Re: More Heresy from Un-Catholic Answers
    « Reply #8 on: April 01, 2025, 07:29:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 01, 2025, 02:15:03 PM
    Yeah, and the most devastating consequence of EENS denial isn't so much quibbling about the criteria for who gets saved and who doesn't, since in one sense it's none of my business whom God wishes to save.

    IT'S ALL ABOUT THE ECCLESIOLOGY

    If non-Catholics can be saved, and now even atheists, since it's dogma (thrice defined) that there's no salvation outisde the Church, with one definition saying you have to join the Church BEFORE you die (so you can't say you just join the Church as part of the Church Triumphant but were not part of the Church Militant), that means that this "Church" (Militant) must somehow include not onlyIs actual Catholics, but also the various other heretics, schismatics, Jews, infidels, and now evidently also atheists who are going to be saved.

    What does this due to the Church?  It completely guts it, and wrecks Catholic ecclesiology.

    That is in fact V2 ecclesiology in a nutshell, and all the V2 errors flow logically from this model.

    Ultimately, it's about, "Who distinguisheth thee? Or what hast thou that thou didst not receive?" 1 Cor. 4:7. God determines the ends,  and the means. The Church is one of His means. It is only necessary as God determines it to be necessary, obviously. But if man determines and makes the difference, who needs the Church if one doesn't even need God?

    Now, Catholic Answers tells us an "atheist" can be saved essentially "without God," since God has no conscious presence in his mind. Oh, they will tell you he could not be saved without "grace." But Scripture tells us we are saved by the knowledge of Him.

    Isa. 53:11 Because his soul hath laboured, he shall see and be filled: by his knowledge shall this my just servant justify many, and he shall bear their iniquities.

    John 17:3  Now this is eternal life: That they may know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    This is libertarian free will reaching its obvious evolution and "apotheosis," as man becomes God. The motive and lust in man's heart that prompted the Fall: becoming "as God[]." It prompts the final Great Apostasy of the "man of sin," "shewing himself as if he were God." 2 Th. 2:4.

    You can only maintain the "necessity" of God for salvati0n in the case of an atheist by a forced affirmation of His necessity to "save" His role in redemption, since the atheist is not motivated by any consideration of Him at all. 

    Man saving man, the Novus Ordo religion reaching its final evolution. 

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    Re: More Heresy from Un-Catholic Answers
    « Reply #9 on: April 01, 2025, 09:46:21 PM »
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    • P E L A G I A N I S M

    There, it is spelled out.
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    Re: More Heresy from Un-Catholic Answers
    « Reply #10 on: April 01, 2025, 09:55:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: ElwinRansom1970 on April 01, 2025, 09:46:21 PM
    P E L A G I A N I S M

    There, it is spelled out.

    Yes, and that Christian heresy was secularized in Rousseau's Enlightenment fairytale of the "noble savage," which amounts to the direct denial of Original Sin. A fundamental tenet of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and all modern revolutionary errors.
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