Author Topic: More from "Mr. Q" (Read 4557 times)

hollingsworth1 · « **on:** December 02, 2010, 01:35:40 PM »

Yesterday, Dec. 1, "Mr. Q" got another email which he passes on to certain ones. Therein, in the interests of fairness and balance, I guess, Bp. Williamson bends over backwards to present the SSPX side for acting so precipitately in issuing a press release on Saturday, one day after they'd been given a promise from +W that he would indeed get rid of Nahrath, as ordered.

Here it is:

Dear (Mr. Q)

In fairness to BpF, in the justification sent to Superiors on the Sunday, it says that I had promised to give up Nahrath, but the Court on the Friday afternoon had been notified of no such withdrawal (true), therefore my promise was yet to be put into action. Also there threatened a huge Press attack on the SSPX which needed to be headed off at the earliest opportunity by publication of Menzingen's fierce attitude towards anything to do with nαzιs. (Too bad that I had to be humiliated once more in public.) I hope this text of Menzingen will also get around in public for people to judge for themselves.

Ab BpW.

My only follow up comment is this: Doesn't +F have a telephone, or email capability, or a fax machine? Could he not have communicated with +W directly and quickly in order to clear up the apparent contradiction before the infamous press release was published on DICI? I mean, +F was not limited to smoke signals or the Pony Express. He had the communication means to find out the truth within 10 minutes of learning of Nahrath's filing with the German Court. I admire +W even more for trying to see it from the Society leadership point of view, but it doesn't wash. Sorry!

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** December 02, 2010, 01:37:59 PM »

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Also there threatened a huge Press attack on the SSPX which needed to be headed off at the earliest opportunity

So you threaten a bishop with expulsion to "head off a huge press attack." Sounds very unprincipled.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #2 on:** December 02, 2010, 02:17:35 PM »

Maybe +W agrees to be the whipping boy for the common good?

As Americans, it is hard to wrap our minds around how little freedom many others have. I heard they closed down the SSPX schools almost immediately. There are hints of surveillance and intimidation.

Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany thought nothing of ordering the Pope around. That speaks volumes, regardless of what our individual opinions are of Benedict XVI.

Anyway, a theory of this mystery.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #3 on:** December 02, 2010, 02:31:12 PM »

The 19th Century Church put up with far worse. Scapegoating and sacrificing your outspoken members will rapidly lead to ruin. It only emboldens the enemies of the SSPX.

What about the justice of this case? A man should not hire his own lawyer without the approval of his enemies? It really is extraordinary that people have been conditioned to accept anything to avoid the antisemitic label.

Ethelred · « **Reply #4 on:** December 02, 2010, 02:32:50 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth1

My only follow up comment is this: Doesn't +F have a telephone, or email capability, or a fax machine? Could he not have communicated with +W directly and quickly in order to clear up the apparent contradiction before the infamous press release was published on DICI? I mean, +F was not limited to smoke signals or the Pony Express. He had the communication means to find out the truth within 10 minutes of learning of Nahrath's filing with the German Court. I admire +W even more for trying to see it from the Society leadership point of view, but it doesn't wash. Sorry!

Well, we've to face the truth, which is obvious:
Bishop Fellay doesn't like Bishop Williamson one little bit.

I think most observers knows this for sure.

It's because Bishop Fellay is in line with the modernist Benedikt XVI., and Bishop Williamson is not, but in line with Archbishop Lefebvre.
(You people know what the Archbishop said about Ratzinger?).

So actually, it's all about faith.

Bishop Fellay's dislike is not based on the h0Ɩ0h0αx topic (although he believes dogmatically in this historic hoax and like Benedikt XVI. gets very angry if somebody does not). The latter topic just serves as "spring board"...

They want to sack Bishop Williamson, because he prevents a sellout of Archbishop Lefebvre's SSPX to the modernist Benedikt XVI.

That's why zionist Maximilian Krah who's 100% in line with Benedikt XVI. publicly says Bishop Williamson was "damaging" (via his Eleison comments) the so called "conciliation" with the Rome of Vaticanum II.
That's why Krah publicly insults Bishop Williamson as being "not catholic". (He probably means: not modernist "catholic"...)
That's why at the show trial in Regensburg in April 2010, Krah being "witness" for the SSPX dared to publicly name Bishop Williamson a kind of "mad men" (he said the Bishop would have a sustained impaired perception of reality and a problem with recognition, very freely translated from Krah's original German words.)

Still, no need to be afraid.
Bishop Williamson is with God. That's the one and most important thing.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** December 02, 2010, 02:37:53 PM »

Believing in the Gospels is considered antisemitic.

Disapproving of what George Soros is doing is considered antisemitic.

Abhorring abortion and the recognizing the figures in the media and judiciary promoting abortion is considered antisemitc.

Mentioning that these things are unjustly considered antisemitic is considered antisemitic.

Anyone who is really Catholic must realize a Christian cannot go along with this corruption.

What did happen in the Gospels, after all, that make the Jєωs hate the evangelists so much? If we love the Gospels, how can we go along with those who hate them, without utterly betraying them?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #6 on:** December 02, 2010, 02:42:47 PM »

I think an abject fear of being labeled antisemitic is ultimately incompatible with the Catholic Faith.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #7 on:** December 02, 2010, 02:43:25 PM »

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Scapegoating and sacrificing your outspoken members will rapidly lead to ruin. It only emboldens the enemies of the SSPX.

The relative silence from other trad groups has been of concern to me, also.

Surely this would have been a wonderful opportunity for a great show of unity and strength to have all flown to some spot in defense of Bp. Williamson.

Belloc · « **Reply #8 on:** December 02, 2010, 02:49:58 PM »

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Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany thought nothing of ordering the Pope around. That speaks volumes,

yes it does, a rather preverse inversion of points #1 and #2 of Fr. Fahey's 6 Point Plan for Divine Order....one that modern Catholics reject, as does Merkel and B16 (has stated so in past).

Belloc · « **Reply #9 on:** December 02, 2010, 02:52:23 PM »

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As Americans, it is hard to wrap our minds around how little freedom many others have.

the germans aredown same old authoratarian road, this time for NWO/PC and the like.recall how they atacked, viciously, the home schoolers there? i do!

Dolfuss dreamed of uniting Austria w/Bavaria, a shame that did not happen, a Catholic German state, instead of one infused with Prussian state worship and centralization-been liberal for yrs prior to WW2

hollingsworth1 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 02, 2010, 03:33:05 PM »

Ethelred:

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(although he believes dogmatically in this historic hoax and like Benedikt XVI. gets very angry if somebody does not).

I'd have disagree with that conclusion. A good friend of mine, a prominent layman whose name you would all recognize, told me and a few others the following: In a conversation with Bp. F in the early 2000s, he was of the definite impression that Bp. F believed then almost exactly as Bp. W does about the h0Ɩ0cαųst.

Wessex · « **Reply #11 on:** December 02, 2010, 03:37:35 PM »

Well, Germany feels she is propping up the rest of Europe economically, a price she has paid for her keen support of the European Union. However, the common currency, the Euro, is not helping other European countries during the recession and Germany is now demanding greater control over their economies. We now talk of a domino effect with the following countries losing their (economic) independence: Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Italy, France ......

Ethelred · « **Reply #12 on:** December 02, 2010, 04:24:16 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth1

Ethelred:
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(although he believes dogmatically in this historic hoax and like Benedikt XVI. gets very angry if somebody does not).

I'd have disagree with that conclusion. A good friend of mine, a prominent layman whose name you would all recognize, told me and a few others the following: In a conversation with Bp. F in the early 2000s, he was of the definite impression that Bp. F believed then almost exactly as Bp. W does about the h0Ɩ0cαųst.

Well, if so, it really proves that Bishop Fellay changed his "old course" in the last years.
In many ways. The h0Ɩ0h0αx being the least important topic, by the way.

Anyway, since the year 2009 Bishop Fellay officially believes in the h0Ɩ0h0αx as an "obvious" fact. Usually he tells this in his and Krah's favorite magazine to slap Bishop Williamson, the communist magazine "Der Spiegel" (been founded by US zionists).

Via interviews in the "Spiegel" Bishop Fellay tried in 2009 to force Bishop Williamson publicly to "correct this nonsense" (what the English Bishop said in the Swedish TV interview).
This logically means Bishop Fellay believes in the official version (which actually is nonsense, whilst Bishop Williamson's TV interview words represent facts. But that's not important for our discussion about what Bishop Fellay believes.)

Just two quotes from Bishop Fellay's and Krah's favorite magazine the "Spiegel" when it comes to true "Aggiornamento" :

- 10th February 2009: "As soon as I [=Bishop Fellay] saw this interview I told him [=Bishop Williamson] to correct this nonsense. ... The sooner, the better."

- 1st February 2010: Fellay says that his personal belief is that the h0Ɩ0cαųst is 'obviously' a fact.
(In the German original: Rein persönlich halte er, der Generalobere, den h0Ɩ0cαųst 'selbstverständlich' für eine Tatsache.[/u])

Well, there are many more press articles and TV interviews which show that Bishop Fellay publicly confirms the zionist mangled view of history - and since a few years also their theology, see his wrong words about the тαℓмυd Jєωs being our alleged "elder brothers".
I've read and watched most of these articles and interviews with him. Highly disappointing, in particular how bad he treats his bishop brother.

Roman Catholic · « **Reply #13 on:** December 02, 2010, 08:38:23 PM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

The relative silence from other trad groups has been of concern to me, also.

Surely this would have been a wonderful opportunity for a great show of unity and strength to have all flown to some spot in defense of Bp. Williamson.

Which other groups do you think should have spoken up?

Surely not the so-called traditional groups under Rome who have to toe the party line, or the sede groups who have been shown no support by Bp. Williamson because he categorizes them as schismatic?

Emerentiana · « **Reply #14 on:** December 02, 2010, 08:47:41 PM »

Quote from: Roman Catholic

Quote from: Elizabeth

The relative silence from other trad groups has been of concern to me, also.

Surely this would have been a wonderful opportunity for a great show of unity and strength to have all flown to some spot in defense of Bp. Williamson.

Which other groups do you think should have spoken up?

Surely not the so-called traditional groups under Rome who have to toe the party line, or the sede groups who have been shown no support by Bp. Williamson because he categorizes them as schismatic?

You couldnt have said it better! All the groups are so compartmentalized now. Like animals huddling together for survival!
Maybe the day will come!