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Offline clement21

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Re: More Evidence on the two Sister Lucy's
« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2021, 09:52:22 AM »
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  • Private revelation doesn't supersede public revelation which ended with St. John of the Apocalypse. Moreover, Catholics are not required to believe in Church-approved private revelations such as Fatima, but we are required to believe in all public Divine revelations. Catholics must assent to Church-approved private revelations (Fatima, La Salette, et al.) as worthy of belief, but they're not required to believe them.

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    Re: More Evidence on the two Sister Lucy's
    « Reply #61 on: February 03, 2021, 09:54:39 AM »
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  • Public revelation ending with the apostle, St. John the Evangelist, is decreed by Pope St. Pius X in "Lamentabili" July 3, 1907; Denz. 2021- The Errors of Modernists, on the Church, Revelation, Christ, the Sacraments

    "2021   21. Revelation, constituting the object of Catholic faith, was not completed with the apostles." (decreed an error of modernists)

    Link: http://patristica.net/denzinger/#n2000


    Offline 2Vermont

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    Re: More Evidence on the two Sister Lucy's
    « Reply #62 on: February 03, 2021, 10:00:49 AM »
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  • My friend, check the record.

    The promulgation of the Pius XII 1952 “consecration” was from the biggest sede source in Jєω-mєdια, Bro. Dimond.

    He and his jew script writer team produced that piece of brilliant propaganda around 2007.  

    In that doc, he claimed, the world had it’s era of peace already, cause the “consecration” was done.

    Do you believe that?

    You believe we’ve had the era of peace Our Lady spoke of?

    If so, you’ve been disoriented by the sedes, which is the express mission of Bro. Dimond and Jєω-boys like Jerry Matatics.
    My friend, did you read my post?  I said I believe that Pius XII consecrated Russia BUT NOT WITH ALL OF THE BISHOPS...which is what she requested.  Because he did not do as she requested, there has been no era of peace and the spread of Communism is upon us.  The Consecration Ship has sailed, IMO.  

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    Re: More Evidence on the two Sister Lucy's
    « Reply #63 on: February 03, 2021, 09:46:07 PM »
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  • 2Vermont,

    You essentially said Fatima divides trad Catholics from sedes.

    I replied that there’s an organized sede media conspiracy to do just that.

    There’s a Jєωιѕн element to some sede narratives that wants to tear everything down.

    They don’t want trads to believe in a Church endorsed apparition, in which the Mother of God’s words were analyzed, ad infinitum.

    Their point of preaching that Fatima is not dogmatic is moot,
    when believing in the Mother of God is ?

    The precedence for a “consecrated” Russian conversion,  en masse is Our Lady of Guadalupe’s 9,000,000 Mexican pagans.

    In the Tuy, Spain apparitions, Our Lord and Lady advised, that like in France, a belated Consecration would occur.

    We are free to accept or deny Catholic prophecies.





    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: More Evidence on the two Sister Lucy's
    « Reply #64 on: February 08, 2021, 08:37:15 AM »
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  • How would a Pope ever consecrate with ALL the bishops?

    That is an impossible task.  There are thousands of bishops.  Some of them would be ill in bed, some would be awkward and refuse to do it.  Some would think it was offensive to Russia.  Some would not believe in Fatima.  When, in the history of the Church, has any Pope had the power and respect from the Bishops to make 100% of them obey?  Never. 

    If one or two bishop don't do it then that is not all the bishops.  So it seems to me an impossible request to fulfill.  There would always be an escape clause if Russia was not converted.  They did not All do it. 

    Let's imagine the traditional bishops from Vigano to Williamson asked everybody to say 15 decades of the Rosary on one particular day.  How many people attending their masses actually would?  50%, 80% perhaps but never all of them.  There would always be some proportion who would not comply. 


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    Re: More Evidence on the two Sister Lucy's
    « Reply #65 on: February 08, 2021, 09:02:25 AM »
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  • How would a Pope ever consecrate with ALL the bishops?
    The Pope would command all bishops who are able body (not seriously sick, hospitalized etc. - those would be excused, as God does not require the impossible) to do the consecration on the particular day and time with the pre-emptive order that all bishops who are physically able to do the consecration but do not intend to do so, are hereby excommunicated and thus no longer bishops of the Catholic Church. 
    So even if only five bishops do the consecration properly and the rest "fake it" or ignore it, then the consecration would be done as those five bishops would by ALL the bishops, the rest would have been outside the Church.

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    Re: More Evidence on the two Sister Lucy's
    « Reply #66 on: February 08, 2021, 09:33:54 AM »
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  • The Pope would command all bishops who are able body (not seriously sick, hospitalized etc. - those would be excused, as God does not require the impossible) to do the consecration on the particular day and time with the pre-emptive order that all bishops who are physically able to do the consecration but do not intend to do so, are hereby excommunicated and thus no longer bishops of the Catholic Church.
    So even if only five bishops do the consecration properly and the rest "fake it" or ignore it, then the consecration would be done as those five bishops would by ALL the bishops, the rest would have been outside the Church.

    Right, and also when the Pope commands it of all the bishops, they're considered to be virtually doing it because they're under obedience to the Pope, even if some or even many of them don't actually comply.  I believe the key point from Our Lady was that this should be very public so that the miracle that followed would be attributed to her and that there could be no other explanation.  By contrast, Pius XII made an oblique consecration in an obscure docuмent that was probably read by a few hundred people.

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    Re: More Evidence on the two Sister Lucy's
    « Reply #67 on: February 08, 2021, 10:05:37 AM »
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  • Right, and also when the Pope commands it of all the bishops, they're considered to be virtually doing it because they're under obedience to the Pope, even if some or even many of them don't actually comply.  I believe the key point from Our Lady was that this should be very public so that the miracle that followed would be attributed to her and that there could be no other explanation.  By contrast, Pius XII made an oblique consecration in an obscure docuмent that was probably read by a few hundred people.
    "Because I want My WHOLE Church to recognize that consecration as a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, etc.." Our Lord to Sr. Lucia.


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    Re: More Evidence on the two Sister Lucy's
    « Reply #68 on: February 08, 2021, 10:10:42 AM »
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  • Right, and also when the Pope commands it of all the bishops, they're considered to be virtually doing it because they're under obedience to the Pope, even if some or even many of them don't actually comply.  I believe the key point from Our Lady was that this should be very public so that the miracle that followed would be attributed to her and that there could be no other explanation.  By contrast, Pius XII made an oblique consecration in an obscure docuмent that was probably read by a few hundred people.
    Well put. The same applies to JPII which many Novus Ordo conservatives claim consecrated Russia. If there is debate whether Russia was consecrated, then it is unknown to the world, and not really public "so that the miracle that followed would be attributed to her and that there could be no other explanation". The consecration of Russia will be a scandal to the world. The pope,  the bishops, and the Church will be made a laughing stock to the world, the mєdια will make stooges of them. Then the miraculous conversion will be totally attributed to her and known by everyone, without a doubt. 

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    Re: More Evidence on the two Sister Lucy's
    « Reply #69 on: February 10, 2021, 02:33:46 AM »
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  • So that would mean that none of the many Bishops who were excommunicated could confer orders on priests or confirm Catholics. 

    If there is no obligation on Catholics to believe in private revelation, which Fatima is, then I don't see how a bishop can be excommunicated for not following the demands of a private revelation.  

    It makes no sense that a bishop can be validly excommunicated for refusal over Fatima, but not be validly excommunicated for consecrating 4 bishops without permission. 

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    Re: More Evidence on the two Sister Lucy's
    « Reply #70 on: February 10, 2021, 05:36:44 AM »
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  • How would a Pope ever consecrate with ALL the bishops?

    That is an impossible task.  There are thousands of bishops.  Some of them would be ill in bed, some would be awkward and refuse to do it.  Some would think it was offensive to Russia.  Some would not believe in Fatima.  When, in the history of the Church, has any Pope had the power and respect from the Bishops to make 100% of them obey?  Never.

    If one or two bishop don't do it then that is not all the bishops.  So it seems to me an impossible request to fulfill.  There would always be an escape clause if Russia was not converted.  They did not All do it.

    Let's imagine the traditional bishops from Vigano to Williamson asked everybody to say 15 decades of the Rosary on one particular day.  How many people attending their masses actually would?  50%, 80% perhaps but never all of them.  There would always be some proportion who would not comply.
    Do you not believe that anything is possible for God? There is no such thing as an impossible task. Who are you to limit what is possible? There could come a time when God’s anger will cause the bishops to fall on their knees and beg for mercy, or completely apostatise. Then the house will be cleansed.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: More Evidence on the two Sister Lucy's
    « Reply #71 on: February 10, 2021, 05:56:28 AM »
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  • So that would mean that none of the many Bishops who were excommunicated could confer orders on priests or confirm Catholics.

    If there is no obligation on Catholics to believe in private revelation, which Fatima is, then I don't see how a bishop can be excommunicated for not following the demands of a private revelation.  

    It makes no sense that a bishop can be validly excommunicated for refusal over Fatima, but not be validly excommunicated for consecrating 4 bishops without permission.
    I have to admit that this doesn't make sense.  

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    Re: More Evidence on the two Sister Lucy's
    « Reply #72 on: February 10, 2021, 06:38:58 AM »
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  • How would a Pope ever consecrate with ALL the bishops?

    That is an impossible task.  There are thousands of bishops.  Some of them would be ill in bed, some would be awkward and refuse to do it.  Some would think it was offensive to Russia.  Some would not believe in Fatima.  When, in the history of the Church, has any Pope had the power and respect from the Bishops to make 100% of them obey?  Never.

    If one or two bishop don't do it then that is not all the bishops.  So it seems to me an impossible request to fulfill.  There would always be an escape clause if Russia was not converted.  They did not All do it.

    And, like I said above, they did not all do it and now we are seeing the results of that:  Communism spreading even to the US.

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    Re: More Evidence on the two Sister Lucy's
    « Reply #73 on: February 10, 2021, 07:44:03 AM »
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  • 1.) So that would mean that none of the many Bishops who were excommunicated could confer orders on priests or confirm Catholics.

    2.) If there is no obligation on Catholics to believe in private revelation, which Fatima is, then I don't see how a bishop can be excommunicated for not following the demands of a private revelation.  

    3.)It makes no sense that a bishop can be validly excommunicated for refusal over Fatima, but not be validly excommunicated for consecrating 4 bishops without permission.
    1.) Since we are talking about a hypothetical future situation on what a Pope could do, then the same Pope can either replace those excommunicated bishops or in certain cases re-instate them as some of them will repent once they see the resulting Period of Peace.
    2.) 3.) They would be excommunicated for disobeying a Pope's direct command. But we must keep in mind, this excommunication we are talking about and how a Pope can do it is speculation on one possible solution, we will have to wait and see how the event actually happens when it happens.

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    Re: More Evidence on the two Sister Lucy's
    « Reply #74 on: February 13, 2021, 02:37:48 AM »
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