Interesting thread, a very good read, although I fail to see what difference it makes today who the real Sister Lucy was.  For sure she is in Heaven with Our Dear Lady, that we all can agree, for she was promised, Heaven. 

Whoever it was that posted those who hold to the sedevacantist position debunk Fatima are mistaken, take CMRI, for example, every year they have a Fatima conference, each year beginning May 13 through Oct 13, we have a public procession in DownTown Spokane through the main park there.  Banners and images of Our Lady of Fatima are constantly displayed.

Please speak not as a parrot just repeating what you hear or at least mention you don't know for sure but ................

Here is a link that proves my point    https://cmri.org/?s=fatima

Our Lady of Fatima, by Her Magnificent Public Miracle of the Sun, showed all unbelievers once more that the Catholic Faith was the true one. The Grace of God given so splendidly in front of 70,000 eyewitness through Fatima has led to umpteen conversions from every false religion including Atheism/Agnosticism, Communism, Masonry, Islam, Protestantism etc to the Catholic Church. It has been called the Greatest Public Miracle since Our Lord's Resurrection from the dead 2000 years ago. 

Fatima also perfectly prophesies the Communist infiltration that would happen through the Kremlin's orders only decades later. Bella Dodd, Manning Johnson and others testified the Communists infiltrated national governments and even the Catholic Church. Once more, the prophetic evidence should be another clear sign of Fatima's manifest supernatural origin.

For us Catholics, it reminds us we have to work with the Pope and the Bishops, and help them obey the order of Our Lord and Our Lady, the King and Queen of Heaven. The Consecrations by Pope Pius XII and Pope John Paul II were partial, and didn't bring about the full peace promised by Our Lady. Either Pope Francis or a future Pope will complete the Consecration.

Our Lady has promised us a Period of Peace when Russia becomes Catholic. This will be the Triumph of Her Immaculate Heart. A comparsion with other Catholic Prophesy suggests this will be the Sixth Age of the Church.

Before it, we may have to go through chastisement, tribulation, persecution etc. On this Lent, we should accept all that in a spirit of penance and sacrifice, knowing that every thing we suffer will be for the greater good in the end.

Christendom was built on so many prayers, tears, sufferings, sacrifices and martyrdoms. The new Christendom, of the Sixth Age, in the Age of Mary to come, the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart over all heresies, will be the same likewise. 

Cardinal Ciappi:  "In the Third Secret(Fatima), it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top.”

Cardinal Oddi:  "The Blessed Virgin was alerting us against apostasy in the Church."

Both of them read the Secret.  Well, I'm not 100% sure about Oddi, but Ciappi certainly did.

Hmmm, an "apostasy that will BEGIN at the top".  What is the "top" of the Church?  What happened in 1960 (the year called out by Sister Lucia)?

Yep, and Roncalli was the first such Communist infiltrator in the papacy.  You get all this, how the Church has been infiltrated, but refuse to accept the possibility that they made it into the papacy?

Well, the Church has certainly been infiltrated, but can the Papacy be infiltrated? Theologians say God can not permit a false Pope to have Universal Acceptance. Thus, at least some Bishops would have refused to recognize Pope John XXIII if he was a false Pope.

Fr. Hunter: "If the Bishops agree in recognizing a certain man as Pope, they are certainly right, for otherwise the Body of the Bishops would have been separated from their Head, and the Divine Constitution of the Church would be ruined.

I certainly agree the 60s were a chaotic time anyway, and as +ABL said, "World War III" took place at Vatican II between the traditional Fathers and the liberals. Vatican II makes any omissions and has glaring ambiguities that were used by the libs after the Council ended to get what they ended. But I believe the traditional Fathers successfully intervened to save the final texts from outright heresy. Likewise, I believe there is no heresy, although there are many deficiencies, in the final text of the New Mass. I agree the Council can be viewed as a type of chastisement for our sins. 

I agree with the Fatima Centre, and with that article you posted, that the full text of the Third Secret has not been revealed, and so on, but the Fatima centre has never been sedevacantist. Apostasy going to the top can mean among Cardinals, or can also mean the Popes, by errors and omissions, like St. Peter denying Christ out of weakness only, can in some way contribute to the apostasy themselves. I also agree with the Pope Pius XII quote in the Fatima article. It makes sense Our Lady warned not to tamper with the Liturgy, and how this could become suicidal to the Church's Mission.

Nevertheless, the bottom line is, Our Lord did not say to His Church. "I will be with you until 1958/62/65/69" only. He promised to be with Her until the end of time. As Fr. Gleize said recently, echoing Fr. Hunter it would seem, "That the Church can be habitually deprived of Her Head is an absurdity and contrary to the promises of indefectibility", i.e. of Christ's promise to be in Her in His Spirit for all time.

The question for sedevacantists regarding Fatima is, "If most Latin-Rite Bishops aren't even Bishops now, as most sedes hold, and if there is no Pope either right now, as all sedes hold, can the Consecration of Russia even be done, and the Period of Peace finally come?"

God Bless.

 

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"Vision of Fatima" by Sculptor Fr. Thomas McGlynn, published in 1948, Indicates the real Sister Lucy requested that Pope Pius XII Give an Address to the Portuguese People for the Silver Anniversary of the Fatima Apparition. Author Makes it Clear that the Inclusion of All the Bishops of the World with the Pope in a Consecration of Russia was Publicized to the World by 1947.
Posted: 20 Feb 2021 08:56 PM PST

Here is the text describing the discussion of Fr. Thomas McGlynn, O.P. to the Patriarch of Lisbon in 1947 in Fr. McGlynn's book, Vision of Fatima (Boston: Little, Brown and Company, 1948), pp. 29-30. 
"The important address of Pope Pius XII to the Portuguese people made in Portuguese on October 31, 1942, in connection with the ceremonies of the Silver Jubilee of the apparitions at Fatima [how different from the ceremony of the Golden Jubilee with Paul VI and the fake "Sister Lucy"] was evidently, His Eminence pointed out, a consequence of Lucy's own request made to the Holy Father, of which the Cardinal had knowledge. Lucy had said that the Blessed Virgin wanted the world consecrated to her Immaculate Heart with special mention to be made of Russia. She had declared the special grace to be granted in reward for this consecration would be the shortening of the war, and that, if the Holy Father wished to see an example of the blessings which this would bring to the world, it could be observed in the case of Portugal [namely, that the Consecration of Portugal to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, by all of the bishops of the country, had kept Portugal OUT of World War II.]" 
    "The Cardinal, in reply to my [Fr. McGlynn's] inquiry, said that he had not heard of the special manner of consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart which had lately been declared [emphasis mine]; namely, that all the Bishops of the world are expected to participate with the Holy Father on a special day in one great act of offering Russia to Our Lady's Immaculate Heart."

Dr. Chojnowski: This was back in 1948. Clearly this particular act NEVER happened. The closest the world ever came to this is when Pope Pius XII himself, consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in his papal bull Sacro Vergente of July 7, 1952. 

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Cardinal Ciappi:  "In the Third Secret(Fatima), it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top.”

Cardinal Oddi:  "The Blessed Virgin was alerting us against apostasy in the Church."

Both of them read the Secret.  Well, I'm not 100% sure about Oddi, but Ciappi certainly did.

Hmmm, an "apostasy that will BEGIN at the top".  What is the "top" of the Church?  What happened in 1960 (the year called out by Sister Lucia)?

Cardinal Oddi on the Third Secret:


https://onepeterfive.com/cardinal-oddi-fatimas-third-secret-second-vatican-council-apostasy/