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Offline radtrad

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More Dangerous: JP2 or B16?
« on: August 30, 2009, 09:28:52 PM »
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  • Which one was/is more dangerous as the "visible" head of the Church?  John Paul II or Benedict XVI?  

    JP2 was certainly extremely scandalous in his actions and words. But I think that B16 is more clear and therefore more straightforward with his apparent heresies.  Plus B16 plays like a traditionalist when it is opportune, getting over on those that wish he was the savior of tradition.  

    I would like to know what you all think, and why.
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    More Dangerous: JP2 or B16?
    « Reply #1 on: August 30, 2009, 10:09:42 PM »
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  • Well, neither is or was the head of the Church.  Neither is so subtle in their heresies that a person could reasonably argue that he was orthodox in belief.

    For this reason, I would state that Benedict XV (15) was far more dangerous than these two, since he covered his heretical tracks quite a bit better.


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    More Dangerous: JP2 or B16?
    « Reply #2 on: August 31, 2009, 01:50:47 AM »
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    Which one was/is more dangerous as the "visible" head of the Church?


    Why not put "Church" in quotation marks, as the visibility of these men, and the society they govern/ed is rather certain (and practically unparalleled)?

    IMO, the 'pope issue' is often a kind of red herring/distraction from the real issue: the counterfeit church in Rome (of which these men have certainly been the head).
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    More Dangerous: JP2 or B16?
    « Reply #3 on: September 01, 2009, 04:33:52 AM »
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  • That is true, but the 'pope issue' is the clear cut way that a person can know that he is in a false Church.

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    More Dangerous: JP2 or B16?
    « Reply #4 on: September 02, 2009, 03:11:21 AM »
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  • Benedict XVI is the Palpatine to JPII's Darth Vader.  Sorry for the pop-culture reference but that's the only way I can put it.    

    Ratzinger is the mastermind of the entire VII rebellion, in my opinion, making his reputation as the "restorer of tradition" all the more risible; JPII was his charismatic frontman.  Well, some say he was charismatic, I didn't see it personally.  Saying "I LUHVE YOU" in a Polish accent doesn't do it for me.  Together Ratzinger and Wojtyla are like the Pius X/Merry del Val from hell.  

    If you study their encyclicals, though I'd always thought that cardinals and bishops had a hand in those, there are two distinct styles.  JPII just repeats the word "man," dignity of man, glory of man, whatever.  

    Ratzinger, I'd say, clearly writes his own encyclicals because he speaks in the same way he writes.  He uses a form of mind-control or hypnotism that tangles your mind, which is why people stay in SSPX or Novus Ordo.  

    I will try to describe a Ratzinger pargraph in a form of shorthand.  The pattern is usually like so --

    Orthodox orthodox orthodox orthodox slight heresy orthodox orthodox orthodox HUGE WHOPPING HERESY orthodox orthodox QUALIFICATION OF PREVIOUS HERESY SO NOW WE'RE NOT SURE IF IT'S HERESY ANYMORE orthodox orthodox.  

    He has a masterful way of mixing your head up, throwing in truth with lies and then going back and making you doubt that you read what you think you did, or that there was some other meaning behind what you thought was a heresy, and that he didn't mean it in the way it came across.

    Notice how people like Caminus always tell you to "read the docuмents of VII in the light of tradition."  As soon as someone says that they are out the door.  That is exactly what these guys want to do, make smoke come out of your ears as you try to make lunacy seem orthodox.  Eventually you don't even know what the Catholic faith is anymore.

    I am not in the position to judge anyone's soul but if these VII Popes do go to hell, I can't even imagine the torments they will undergo.  I can't understand how people like this aren't quaking in their boots.  Beneath that placid surface of Ratzinger must be an unimaginable seething hatred because otherwise he wouldn't dare to do what he is doing.  Iniquity is indeed a mystery; what is the benefit of it?  There is none except the love of pain.
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    More Dangerous: JP2 or B16?
    « Reply #5 on: September 02, 2009, 03:38:41 AM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    Notice how people like Caminus always tell you to "read the docuмents of VII in the light of tradition."


    I guess he can read the Koran in the light of Catholic Tradition too, since "The plan of salvation also includes the Muslims, who together with us (V2 church) they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

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    More Dangerous: JP2 or B16?
    « Reply #6 on: September 02, 2009, 07:39:50 AM »
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    Which one was/is more dangerous as the "visible" head of the Church?  John Paul II or Benedict XVI?  

    JP2 was certainly extremely scandalous in his actions and words. But I think that B16 is more clear and therefore more straightforward with his apparent heresies.  Plus B16 plays like a traditionalist when it is opportune, getting over on those that wish he was the savior of tradition.  

    I would like to know what you all think, and why.


    JP2..Fr.McLucas said it I think "Benedict has a traditional heart, a modern mind"...JP2 had both, though I have love of both, B16 looking less ecuмenical, though I await the GM and the Holy Pope prophesied....

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    The great monarch and the great Pope will precede Antichrist. The nations will be at war for four years and a great part of the world will be destroyed. The Pope will go over the sea carrying the sign of Redemption on his forehead. The great Monarch will come to restore peace and the Pope will share in the victory.

     But God will raise a holy Pope, and the Angels will rejoice. Enlightened by God, this man will rebuild almost the whole world through his holiness. He will lead everyone to the true Faith.
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    Comment-not reviewed this site and its info yet, so grain of salt...has some Dupont writings on it...

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    More Dangerous: JP2 or B16?
    « Reply #7 on: September 02, 2009, 04:13:05 PM »
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  • Quote from: Belloc
    JP2..Fr.McLucas said it I think "Benedict has a traditional heart, a modern mind"...JP2 had both, though I have love of both, B16 looking less ecuмenical, though I await the GM and the Holy Pope prophesied....


     :shocked:

    I hope you mean this in the "love your enemies" kind of way.  Mind you there is nothing left of John Paul II to love.  During his life, there was the potential for him to convert to the Catholic Faith, and that potential was worth loving, and praying for his conversion, but now that he is in hell, and eternally separated from the Supreme Good, there is nothing left in him but eternal despair, rage and blasphemy.