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Offline Jovita

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Monsignor Bux: We Are in a Full Crisis of Faith
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    Re: Monsignor Bux: We Are in a Full Crisis of Faith
    « Reply #1 on: June 22, 2017, 11:12:32 AM »
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    • Through God's grace people are waking up daily! :pray:   
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    Re: Monsignor Bux: We Are in a Full Crisis of Faith
    « Reply #2 on: June 22, 2017, 12:18:50 PM »
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    • Deo volente the time might come when Francis is finally declared a heretic and deposed!
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    Re: Monsignor Bux: We Are in a Full Crisis of Faith
    « Reply #3 on: June 22, 2017, 01:37:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jovita on June 22, 2017, 10:52:09 AM
    He says with a straight face, fifty years too late.

    http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/monsignor-bux-we-are-in-a-full-crisis-of-faith#.WUvhHEFOlJ8
    Yes, 50 years too late - but it's still good to hear, even from a NO cardinal.......before he gets shipped out to the boonies.
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    Re: Monsignor Bux: We Are in a Full Crisis of Faith
    « Reply #4 on: June 24, 2017, 11:49:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on June 22, 2017, 01:37:20 PM
    Yes, 50 years too late - but it's still good to hear, even from a NO cardinal.......before he gets shipped out to the boonies.
    You are right.  It is an amazing interview especially this comment:

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    Msgr. Bux: "I believe that the Pope knows that every believer — who knows the regula fidei [the rule of faith] or dogma, which provides everyone with the criterion to know what the faith of the Church is, what everyone has to believe and who one has to listen to — can see if he is speaking and operating in a Catholic way, or has gone against the Church’s sensus fidei [sense of the faith]. Even one believer can hold him to account. So whoever thinks that presenting doubts [dubia] to the Pope is not a sign of obedience, hasn’t understood, 50 years after Vatican II, the relationship between him [the Pope] and the whole Church. Obedience to the Pope depends solely on the fact that he is bound by Catholic doctrine, to the faith that he must continually profess before the Church."

    This is a traditional Catholic forum and still in this forum I have had exchanges with many who do not recognize, and in fact deny, that DOGMA is the proximate Rule of Faith. This truth is the most necessary truth without which all others become meaningless. Without recognizing this essential and primary truth it is impossible to defend the Catholic faith as demonstrated by +Fellay and company in his recent "doctrinal discussions".  It is in the defense of this truth that Fr. Feeney was censored and whose memory continues to be persecuted to this day by most "traditional" Catholics. Despite all the Novus Ordo baggage that Msgr. Bux is saddled with, I would rather be in his shoes than someone like + Fellay.  At least Msgr. Bux has turned and is facing the right direction.

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    Re: Monsignor Bux: We Are in a Full Crisis of Faith
    « Reply #5 on: June 25, 2017, 12:55:04 PM »
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    • ^^^^^ Completely agree.
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    Re: Monsignor Bux: We Are in a Full Crisis of Faith
    « Reply #6 on: June 25, 2017, 09:26:39 PM »
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    • One additional comment.  Msgr. Bux makes it clear that the evidence of a “sensus fidei” is holding Dogma as the Rule of Faith.  Contrast this to what Cardinal Ratzinger said as head of the CDF addressing the meaning of religious submission to the "authentic magisterium."
     

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    Cardinal Ratzinger, Donum Veritatis:
    When the Magisterium, not intending to act "definitively", teaches a doctrine to aid a better understanding of Revelation and make explicit its contents, or to recall how some teaching is in conformity with the truths of faith, or finally to guard against ideas that are incompatible with these truths, the response called for is that of the religious submission of will and intellect. (23) This kind of response cannot be simply exterior or disciplinary but must be understood within the logic of faith and under the impulse of obedience to the faith….. Not without reason did the Second Vatican Council emphasize the indissoluble bond between the "sensus fidei" and the guidance of God's People by the (authentic) magisterium of the Pastors. These two realities cannot be separated. (Cf. Dogmatic Constitution Lumen Gentium, n. 12.)
     (23) Cf. Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium, n. 25; Code of Canon Law, can. 752.
     Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, CDF, Donum Veritatis, May 1990


    In this docuмent addressed to theologians, regarding the last of the three addenda in the 1989 Profession of Faith, the evidence of a “sensus fidei” is directly related to the “indissoluble bond” with the unqualified “religious submission of the will and intellect” to the “authentic magisterium,” or as Lumen Gentium called it, “religious assent of the soul.”  This is indirectly affirming the Pope as the Rule of Faith.  Neither Lumen Gentium nor the 1989 Profession of Faith qualify religious submission as a conditional assent.  It is always conditional upon the pope being faithful to Dogma, the proximate Rule of Faith.
     
    Also it is of interest that the official Vatican English translation of Lumen Gentium no longer says, “religious assent of the soul” which was a faithful translation of the Latin. It is now translated simply as, “religious assent.” 
     
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    Re: Monsignor Bux: We Are in a Full Crisis of Faith
    « Reply #7 on: June 26, 2017, 07:59:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: drew on June 25, 2017, 09:26:39 PM
    ...Also it is of interest that the official Vatican English translation of Lumen Gentium no longer says, “religious assent of the soul” which was a faithful translation of the Latin. It is now translated simply as, “religious assent.”  
     
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         This is a Protestant tactic, for about 400 years the King James Version stood as the most widely used English translation of the Bible. When it no longer served their changing appetites, they produced other 'versions'. What they did accomplish is dumbing down the faith and language. Much as what the Catholic Church has done, they have dumbed down the faith and destroyed it's eccleciastic language.

         Kudos to those Christians, Catholic and Protestant, who home school their children, teaching them Latin. The devil has been trying to kill it, falsely labeling it a dead language.

         May those children rise up and overturn V2, and may this crisis end quickly. Lord, have mercy.
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