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Offline magdalena

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Novus Ordo no longer celebrates Ascension Thursday
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2013, 10:45:59 AM »
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    Most people even in the SSPX do not know what Ascension Thursday is about. It is not a sad day when Our Lord left the apostles. It is not a day of a visible miracle when He ascended to heaven.

    Ascension Thursday is the day that the inhabitants of Limbo of the Patriarchs from Adam and Eve all the way to the Good thief were waiting for, for 5000+ years. It was the day that the Gates of Heaven were opened by Christ himself, and they could all finally enter to Heaven.

    That is why Ascension Thursday is a feast day.


    Thank you, bowler.  There were some NO priests, no doubt, that objected to it being moved to the Sunday following initially.  My parent's priest didn't like the idea.  But I imagine they get use to it rather quickly.   Maybe if these priests would let their bishop know how they feel, it would make a difference.  The same thing holds for those in the pews.  Interestingly, they don't seem to care/notice that it messes up the novena between the Ascension and Pentecost.  But then, maybe no one prays novenas anymore.  Very sad. [/quote]
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    Novus Ordo no longer celebrates Ascension Thursday
    « Reply #16 on: May 11, 2013, 09:53:42 PM »
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  •  :reporter:It is still Ascension Thursday in Diocese of New York and Brooklyn...or else someone forgot to inform NYC-DOT.  There is no "Alternate Side Parking.". The more Holy Days, the better for those of us who have to park on the street!
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  


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    Novus Ordo no longer celebrates Ascension Thursday
    « Reply #17 on: May 12, 2013, 12:47:06 AM »
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    Most people even in the SSPX do not know what Ascension Thursday is about. It is not a sad day when Our Lord left the apostles. It is not a day of a visible miracle when He ascended to heaven.

    Ascension Thursday is the day that the inhabitants of Limbo of the Patriarchs from Adam and Eve all the way to the Good thief were waiting for, for 5000+ years. It was the day that the Gates of Heaven were opened by Christ himself, and they could all finally enter to Heaven.

    That is why Ascension Thursday is a feast day.


    Thank you, bowler.  There were some NO priests, no doubt, that objected to it being moved to the Sunday following initially.  My parent's priest didn't like the idea.  But I imagine they get use to it rather quickly.   Maybe if these priests would let their bishop know how they feel, it would make a difference.  The same thing holds for those in the pews.  Interestingly, they don't seem to care/notice that it messes up the novena between the Ascension and Pentecost.  But then, maybe no one prays novenas anymore.  Very sad.


    There are some that still pray novenas, and they start on Thursday, even
    though the 'Feast is moved to Sunday.'  This business of having one foot
    on each side of the aisle is actually ENCOURAGED by Noochurch.  E.g.,
    B16's 'hermeneutic of continuity' and +Fellay's AFD II, II(1), III.1, III.3, III.4,
    III.4(8), III.5, III.6, III.7 and III.8
    .


    It seems to me that the moving of this from Thursday to Sunday is based
    on a double objective:  

    A)  Any Kind of Change is 'good' inasmuch as it is different from what came
    before it (i.e. change per se is 'desireable'), which provides the
    opportunity to adopt a sort of amnesia of what Ascension Day traditionally
    meant;

    B)   The opportunity is to put a new 'happy face' on it by saying that now it
    must adopt the inherent joyfulness of Sunday - since all Sundays of the year
    are to some extent a joyful commemoration of the Resurrection.  



    Holy Week, including Good Friday, is always on weekdays for a reason.  
    It is not much different with Ascension Day, which should be a day marked
    primarily with MYSTERY, for the Apostles all stood there struck with
    puzzlement, thus the appearance of the "two men in white garments,"
    asking them why they're gawking upwards with their mouths open, basically.

    Were they high-fiveing each other?  Did they form a daisy-chain back to
    the upper-party-room?  Were they jumping in rhythm, chanting in verse
    as the pagans?  But those are things the NovusOrdo does on every Sunday,
    at least in the Focolare and NeoCatechumenal Way Noochurch.  Get with the
    program!  

    This year is a typical example, for Ameri-Noochurch.  Ascension Sunday is
    also Mother's Day.  This is the occasion for joyfulness.  The party atmosphere
    is a done deal.. now, they might make a gesture or give lip service to the
    mystery aspect, but that will be a passing moment, a kind of dramatic pause
    in the proceedings, to provide a sort of 'low point' from which things can only
    go upwards, in the manner of an Irish Wake.  

    This is what makes Noochruch so tolerable for the masses -- the fact that
    every Sunday is just another party, in every way possible.  St. Therese of
    Lisieux said her favorite Feast Day was Sunday.  

    Having Ascension Day on Thursday gives everyone pause to contemplate
    the mystery of the day on its own day.  



    Quote from: Stella
    Quote from: TKGS
    In addition to moving Ascension Thursday to the following Sunday, the Novus Ordo in the United States simply cancels the obligation for any Holy Day (other than Christmas and the Immaculate Conception) if it falls on a Saturday or Monday because it's just too confusing to know when to go to church.


    Yes, and this creates a sticky wicket for the Ecclesia Dei groups that are under the diocesan bishop. They can hardly require their people to attend Mass on Holy Days, when the diocese says it's optional.

    I think it's not so much that the laity don't want to go to Mass two days in a row, but rather that the priests don't want to be bothered with offering additional Masses two days in a row and preparing two sermons.




    This Saturday/Monday cancellation has been the situation in L.A. for about
    18 years due to Cardfile Balony's revolution.  I should be grateful to him for
    giving me the nudge I needed to set myself free with the truth.  

    Now the Sticky Wicket Syndrome ought to be instructive for the 'deal' with
    modernist Rome scenario in the Neo-SSPX.  E.g., how could any 'agreement'
    assure the Neo-SSPX that come Ascension Day next year (after the sellout)
    that Neo-SSPXers won't be required to 'obediently' move this to Sunday, for
    the Mass will not be on Thursday so as to conform to the Local Ordinary's
    Norms?  ~~  At least in some places, that is!!  



    Thanks to M.D. for a wonderful graphic!!





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    Novus Ordo no longer celebrates Ascension Thursday
    « Reply #18 on: May 12, 2013, 05:08:58 PM »
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  • Is it not just a sad.......sad world.


     

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