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Miracle May Help Sainthood for John Paul II
« on: December 19, 2010, 10:11:52 AM »
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    Will a Roman Barber Help Secure Sainthood for John Paul II?

    By Alexander Smoltczyk in Rome

    An Italian barber who claims he experienced a miracle could become the key figure in the canonization of John Paul II. There are just a few hitches: He's a communist, and he doesn't like the church.

    Gianni's razor blade slices through the thick foam on the neck of his customer. "Of course, I told Wojtyla at the time that I'm a communist. He accepted it. Naturally, no one provokes his barber, at least not when he's getting a shave. Am I right, Alberto?" A mumble of assent can be heard through the shaving cream. "Not even a future pope."

    Sixty-one-year-old barber Giovanni Vecchio, who goes by Gianni, once gave Karol Wojtyla a shave. It was in 1976 or 1977, and he was working in a barbershop near the Vatican.

    "He didn't know his way around. He had a strong accent. He was a guest worker, just like I used to be." The two men talked, in German and Italian, and it didn't take long for him to figure out that, he, Gianni Vecchio, had had a cardinal under his knife. "Back then, in 1978, when the white smoke rose into the sky after the conclave, I was standing in St. Peter's Square, and I heard this voice, with that accent. I know him, I said to myself."

    Vecchio, a stout man with a shaved head, looks like a retired wrestler. But he holds his comb and scissors as gracefully as a knife and fork at a gala dinner. His barbershop is little more than a hole in the wall, completely lined with mirrors, on Via Niso, a street flanked by tall, low-income buildings in eastern Rome. A shave costs €5 and a haircut €15. There are special rates for neighbors, a category that seems to apply to almost anyone.

    The barber recently became a "miracolato," or a witness to a miracle. This makes him a potential authority on the suitability of a future saint. Before a good Catholic can be beatified or even canonized, a protracted examination procedure is required, which is described in the apostolic constitution known as the "Divinus perfectionis magister."

    "Santo subito!" -- "sainthood now!" -- the people who had gathered at night in St. Peter's Square chanted when Pope John Paul II was lying in state inside the basilica. But canonization isn't possible without meticulous examination and the testimony of witnesses. And nothing goes without a miracle, recorded and certified by the relevant Vatican officials.

    That's why Gianni Vecchio is so important -- or at least one of the disks in his lower back, the one that is no longer the source of excruciating pain.

    Double Entry Bookkeeping

    The former pope, who was instrumental in bringing down the Soviet empire, could end up owing his halo to a former guest worker and member of the Italian Communist Party. "Here," he says, offering his proof of party membership: "identification card number 496145, Togliatti section in St. Georgen. Signed by Enrico Berlinguer" -- the legendary party leader.

    Vecchio carries the docuмent, which is adorned with the hammer and sickle, in his wallet, along with two small votive pictures, one of John Paul and the other of Mother Teresa. He calls it his personal version of double-entry bookkeeping: "Faith is one account, and politics is another. I was never religious and I'm not religious today. But this Wojtyla has taken me by the hand."

    The walls are adorned with several generations of calendars, layered one on top of the other. Gianni has taken out one of them, from 1988, and pinned it on top. "It's relevant again," he says, as he taps the current date with his finger and begins searching for the pieces of evidence in the miracle that involves one the disks in his lower back. Meanwhile, the shaving cream is beginning to dry on Alberto's upper lip. But Alberto doesn't mind waiting, nor do any of Vecchio's other customers. Without his shop, many wouldn't know how to spend their days.

    In this country, which often seems to have deteriorated into something one might call Berlusconistan, Vecchio seems as much a relic of the past as the fading calendars on the walls of his shop. He is a holdover from the days of cardboard suitcases, when the poor from southern Italy, including Vecchio, began migrating north. Some went as far as St. Georgen in Germany's Black Forest, where they worked in the factories that were still there in 1961, the factories that produced Dual record players and Kundo and Staiger clocks. "There were 2,500 foreigners in St. Georgen, most of them from Italy," he recalls. "Almost all were communists. And that was the year the Berlin Wall was built. It wasn't easy."

    Vecchio loved St. Georgen. He gave the other workers haircuts and began assembling the collection of hair dryers, shaving brushes and razor blades that line the walls of his barbershop today.

    Vecchio's Miracle

    After Vecchio had returned to Rome and opened a barbershop, and after meeting this Polish priest, he would see him every year on January 6, at the blessing of the manger of Rome's street cleaners, a Christmas cult site for the city's ordinary people. "He always looked at me. And now listen to this…"

    A year ago, Vecchio began having severe lower back pain. He could hardly walk anymore, and even giving shaves to his customers became more and more difficult. He went to a hospital, where he was diagnosed with a herniated disk between the second and third lumbar vertebrae.

    On July 31, 2009, Vecchio was admitted to the San Giovanni Hospital for surgery ("San Giovanni, like Giovanni Paolo II, does that ring a bell?!"). He saw a photo of John Paul II hanging in the lobby. "It was an early photo of him," he says, "with the eyes I remembered."

    An MRI was performed to confirm the diagnosis, and Vecchio was scheduled for surgery on Augusst 3. But then, one day, as he says: "I woke up and the pain was gone. Completely gone! Dottoressa Zaccagnini did another MRI later one and found nothing! She said that while she didn't believe in miracles, there was no explanation for what had happened."

    I'm Probably the only Wojtyla Miracle from Italy

    It must have been the look in the eyes of his former Polish customer.

    "Gianni, you were chosen," a voice says from behind a newspaper on the other side of the barbershop, where three elderly men are now sitting, waiting their turns.

    Whatever the explanation, Vecchio remains pain-free to this day. He jogs 10 to 15 kilometers through the city every few days, and he circles his chair with the vitality of days gone by. "And then there was a photo of John Paul lying on the ground in front of my shop the other day. Exactly what I had wished for!" One of the waiting customers chimes in: "Sei miracolato! Like Berlusconi, who didn't have any scars after he was attacked in Milan."

    The Place Where Saints Are Made

    Vecchio reported his case to the "Congregation for the Causes of Saints" on St. Peter's Square, where -- during normal business hours -- saints are made.

    When the Congregation for the Causes of Saints proclaimed the heroic virtue of the Polish pope on Dec. 19, 2009, Vecchio appeared as a guest on Italy's highest-rated talk show, "Porta a Porta," to talk about his herniated disk. "I'm probably the only Wojtyla miracle from Italy," he said.

    Although, when it comes to miracles, some in Italy might say that leaving the notorious San Giovanni Hospital alive qualifies as one.

    The proclaiming of heroic virtue by Pope Benedict XVI, together with a miracle, is a requirement for beatification. Karol Wojtyla is clearly about to be beatified, and he is also believed to be on the path to sainthood. Even upon close inspection, the way he conducted his life was preeminently Christian, and his writings (all of which were studied with "rigor and sober-mindedness" and presented to the current pope) offer no grounds for skepticism.

    The regulars at Salon "Gianni" on Via Niso, at any rate, expect that there will be a new saint to whom they can offer their prayers by this fall, a Saint Karol.

    "They said that my case would contribute to his beatification," says Vecchio. Unfortunately, however, the taking of evidence in "Causa Wojtyla" had already been completed in July, and retroactive nominations are not part of the process. This means that Vecchio's miracle will not be of any use to the Vatican until the second phase.

    Will It Qualify as a Miracle?

    When that happens, a panel of doctors and theologians will examine Vecchio's computer scans, compare the before-and-after images, obtain expert reports and opposing expert reports, and eventually arrive at a vote. And if it turns out that ordinary science can offer an explanation for Vecchio's miraculous recovery, it will not qualify as a true miracle.

    "Ciao Gianni, I'll pay you the rest next time," says Alberto, the customer in the chair. "Ciao Alberto. Your turn, Tommaso. The usual?" "The usual, Gianni."

    Heroic virtue is unlikely to be in the cards for barber Gianni Vecchio from Via Niso. He is currently separated from his wife and lives with a Croatian woman. He is a barber who sometimes gives his customers shaves -- even the occasional cardinal who happens to wander into his shop.

    But without places like Salon "Gianni," Italian society would not be able to offer such tenacious resistance to the faster pace and general disillusionment of modern life. It's a place where, surrounded by bottles of aftershave, photos of grandchildren, pinups and pictures of the saints, Vecchio and his customers discuss the politics of the day and appraise the latest impertinences of the ruling class.

    It's only a barbershop, not a place for metaphysical debates.

    But wondrous nonetheless.

    Translated from the German by Christopher Sultan

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        * http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,674535,00.html



    Offline gladius_veritatis

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    Miracle May Help Sainthood for John Paul II
    « Reply #1 on: December 19, 2010, 11:45:43 AM »
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  • I do not have time to go into the details, but a now-deceased lady once shared this thesis with me:

    JP2 is the first Beast -- having reigned for the 42 months of Vatican II.  He was, as his own biographers attest, more or less running things behind the scenes, personally authoring several of the very worst docuмents.

    BXVI is the second Beast, and will soon cause the first to be worshiped.  

    There is much more to the thesis, but, whether or not it is correct, it was all rather solidly linked and quite logical --- and lined up with the Apocalypse, line by line.

    Time will tell, I suppose.
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    « Reply #2 on: December 19, 2010, 11:53:51 AM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
    I do not have time to go into the details, but a now-deceased lady once shared this thesis with me:

    JP2 is the first Beast -- having reigned for the 42 months of Vatican II.  He was, as his own biographers attest, more or less running things behind the scenes, personally authoring several of the very worst docuмents.

    BXVI is the second Beast, and will soon cause the first to be worshiped.  

    There is much more to the thesis, but, whether or not it is correct, it was all rather solidly linked and quite logical --- and lined up with the Apocalypse, line by line.

    Time will tell, I suppose.


    I agree, and the beasts will also work miracles.

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    « Reply #3 on: December 19, 2010, 12:59:30 PM »
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  • Part of being a Traditionalist like any other Catholic requires acknowlodging the Pope as the true Sucessor of St. Peter not one of the beasts in the Book of the Apocolypse such would be schism and as determined by the Council of Trent, no heretic, Jєω, pagan, apostate or schismatic shall enter the Kingdom of God. Remember that St. Peter was the Rock upon which Christ founded His Church and the gates of Hell shall never triumph over His Church. If you accuse the current Pope or John Paul II as "beast", you are in effect saying Christ was wrong. As Christ IS God, I fail to see how that is possible. Be true to the Catholic Faith and love the Traditions of the Church but never let the schismatics (who hate the Church) to abuse your love of Tradition thus leading you headfirst into the depths of hell.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 19, 2010, 01:30:01 PM »
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  • Every criminal will answer for his own crimes.  Lets not get into victim blaming.  They have eyes and they can't see, they have ears but they can't hear.  Catholics should find unity in the brotherhood of the Faith.  The devil must love when the innocent get the most scrutiny.


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    « Reply #5 on: December 19, 2010, 02:23:14 PM »
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  • Of course, the real miracle of John Paul II is that, after his pontificate, there are any Catholics left in the Conciliar Church.

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    « Reply #6 on: December 19, 2010, 03:24:01 PM »
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  • The New Church needs its own saints.  Why not a commie who was not converted for a testimonial?

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    « Reply #7 on: December 19, 2010, 04:39:03 PM »
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  • JPII does NOT deserve canonization. Of course, try explaining that to any of the modernists on CAF.  :rolleyes:
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #8 on: December 21, 2010, 06:37:19 AM »
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    JPII does NOT deserve canonization. Of course, try explaining that to any of the modernists on CAF.  :rolleyes:


    He deserves to be exhumed and dumped in the Tiber accompanied by great ceremony and pomp.

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    « Reply #9 on: December 21, 2010, 06:45:06 AM »
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  • Since when was JPII instrumental in bringing down the Soviet Empire?

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    « Reply #10 on: December 21, 2010, 07:47:57 AM »
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    He deserves to be exhumed and dumped in the Tiber accompanied by great ceremony and pomp.


    Why would you be so cruel to the Tiber?  Yes, tree-huggers have an imbalanced take on things, but that does not mean we should go out of our way to ruin nature completely, unleashing diabolical putrefaction into public waterways!
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    « Reply #11 on: December 21, 2010, 08:02:14 AM »
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  • The whole story is sickening.  But this is what the New "Church" needs and wants.  It's very telling actually.  See Jesus loves you.  He doesn't care if you love Him or not--he is just going to give you everything, and nothing will be required of you.  No conversion necessary.  Go right on proclaiming proudly that you don't care if God exists or not.  We just want to show the world that Jesus loves everybody.  

    Oh, the devil is hard at work, isn't he?

    So here it is.  Jesus works His miracles through the man who kissed the Koran.  That just shows you that Jesus loves Muslims too.  Jesus offers His Mercy and Grace to a communist God hater just because...Just goes to show you that you don't have to pray, convert, do penance, or offer sacrifices to Our Lord.  In fact, you don't have to do anything to find favor with God--just carry around some photos of JPII and Mother Theresa.  

    I suppose the Miracles in the Scripture are just fairy tales--you know like the one's where Jesus heals people's  bodies and then tells them to STOP SINNING.  No biggie--we'll just forget about that tiny part.  

    I guess falling down on one's knees, crying out in Thanksgiving, thanking God for having mercy on one's soul, and CONVERTING is just so passe.  Who would ever think to do that?  

    The New Church WILL find a way to make a saint.  They have to.  And they are just kicking to make that saint either JPII or Mother Theresa.  Oh what wonderful things they did.  After all they embraced all people, regardless of their religious beliefs, healed them, brought down regimes, and NEVER asked them or attempted to CONVERT them.  See they recognized that all paths lead to God.....

    Don't you hear Satan laughing??

    I guess good ole Giovanni will have a pain free back when he's off running around with his mistress, aye?

    May the Immaculate Heart of Mary shelter us in these dark days.

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    « Reply #12 on: December 21, 2010, 08:23:47 AM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
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    He deserves to be exhumed and dumped in the Tiber accompanied by great ceremony and pomp.


    Why would you be so cruel to the Tiber?  Yes, tree-huggers have an imbalanced take on things, but that does not mean we should go out of our way to ruin nature completely, unleashing diabolical putrefaction into public waterways!


    Don't worry about the Tiber; it would probably spit him back onto the riverbank!

    I was thinking of this bit of history, but jp2 would be condemned for crimes against religion, not for political reasons...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Formosus

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    « Reply #13 on: December 21, 2010, 08:51:55 AM »
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  • Remember reading a report at the time of JPII's funeral that the Neocats started with the "santo", "santo subito", inciting others to join in.  Having this man declared a Saint sure would benefit the heresy.

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    « Reply #14 on: December 21, 2010, 08:59:29 AM »
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  • If JPII and MT are canonized it will seem to confirm that the changes of the canonization process in the early 80's transformed it in such a way to make the new canonizations non-infallible.

    We already have a St. Josemaria, despite the fact he proclaimed VCII errors. Yet he did say the TLM all his life, so one could, perhaps see where he was canonizable to some degree.

    The true test will be to see if NO Mass sayers/ goers are canonized. They are already proclaimed "blessed" so I guess it is just a foregone conclusion.

    If the Society is "regularized" and Rome makes JPII & MT saints and later adds them to the 1962 calendar, will the Society celebrate the Feast of JPII?