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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Miser Peccator on September 03, 2021, 07:37:45 PM
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What say you? What say your priests?
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I fear it is the end times, I hope for a chastisement. But what if neither happen? Our priest never talks about such things from the pulpit. I have never asked him personally.
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I'm surprised that only a few Traditionalists ever consider worst possible outcome. That is, you don't get the End Times, but there's no Great Chastisement either.
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The end of evil times. A time of peace to follow, after God has had his time. Chapter 12 of Daniel, Sacrifice of the Mass (continual) will end or nearly end. And explains what is to follow. Also read the 4th volume of The Mystical City of God.
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What say you? What say your priests?
Every trad priest I personally know believes that we are currently in End Times. That would include an independent priest (SPPV), two trad apostolates, and several conservative priests whose hearts are at least in the right place.
None of them are talking about restoration , time of peace, etc. They all say that the world has gotten so bad that only divine intervention can reverse the momentum at this point. In addition, exorcists point to the frenzied, intensified activity of the demons, which signifies to the exorcists a "last chance" to sow evil as abundantly as possible. I look at what's going on with natural disasters (Ida, CA wildfires) and remember what exorcists say about the demons manipulating the weather.
I don't know how any Catholic can look around and fail to see that evil has invaded every aspect and realm of life: technology, entertainment, education, the press, the political world, medicine, and the Church itself. The crimes being committed are increasingly bold, heartless, random, and of a sometimes demonic nature.
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I'm hearing about s lot of Israeli Jews getting baptized at the moment , there's been a huge conversion movement .
But I'm a believer if Akita .....and if we are right at the end , why bother having fire fall from the sky and people survive it?
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"I say to you, that he will quickly revenge them. But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?"
I think the meaning to the above words of Our Lord is that there will be essentially no one, i.e. only a very, very few, perhaps not even one person left on earth left to save - that's when the end comes. We know one soul is worth more than the whole world and everything in it re: the devil tempting Christ (Mat. 4:8-10), so as long as one soul remains who wants to be saved, the world will not end.
I think we are in the end times but the end is still a long way off, at least I feel sure that it won't happen till well after I die. Things would need to accelerate profusely for that to change, imo. Because in spite of all the evil all over the world, people are still finding and converting or coming to the true faith - which is what it's all about.
In other words, as long as there is faith on earth, there is reason for the earth's existence. That's my opinion.
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But if the Jews convert , there will be lots of faith
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Not if, but *when* the Jews convert, no? Which is another reason why I think it is more likely that the end of the world is a very long way off yet.
I already lived through one "end of the world is upon us" - that was when the V2 revolution was just beginning. I do not believe, at least I certainly hope I will not live to see the end of the world. My hope is to be dead, buried, and if by the grace of God I don't blow it, already in heaven when that happens.
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It depends upon what you call, “end times.” We are certainly in the birth pangs, and expect them to increase in strength and frequency. Is this “the” chastisement? I think it’s the beginning of it.
As for what priests say, I don’t have “a priest” right now, but am in contact with a few of them. One pretty much agrees with me. Another says the vaxx is the mark of the beast and Francis is the false prophet. Yet another thinks this is just another dry run, and, “We ain’t seen nothin’ yet.”
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It depends upon what you call, “end times.” We are certainly in the birth pangs, and expect them to increase in strength and frequency. Is this “the” chastisement? I think it’s the beginning of it.
As for what priests say, I don’t have “a priest” right now, but am in contact with a few of them. One pretty much agrees with me. Another says the vaxx is the mark of the beast and Francis is the false prophet. Yet another thinks this is just another dry run, and, “We ain’t seen nothin’ yet.”
I am squarely in this camp, the bolded, definitely.
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I believe I've heard Bp. Williamson refer to this as a "dress rehearsal for the end times." I agree. Which I think puts it in the category of "Minor Chastisement" if I understand correctly. Also agree with “We ain’t seen nothin’ yet.”
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Noah's flood was not the end of the world, yet almost everyone was killed.
I think we are going into a major chastisement, unlike the world has ever experienced. Hopefully what is at the end of this for those who will be here to witness it, is the consecration of Russia and the reign of the Immaculate Heart.
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I'm hearing about s lot of Israeli Jews getting baptized at the moment , there's been a huge conversion movement .
Any references for that claim?
“We ain’t seen nothin’ yet.”
Agreed. Our situation is approaching biblical proportions, but not quite there… yet.
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Minor Chastisement or End Times?
What say you? What say your priests?
I say that the Novus Ordo is the abomination of desolation, and most of the last days are already over.
There are two major strands of interpretation of the End Times. The first and earlier one expects a worldly leader who first uses seduction, and later violence and torture to gain souls for hell.
The second, and since the time of Sts. Jerome and Augustine predominant one, centers around the Church, not the world. Those outside the Church are prey of the devil, already. In the last days, the tares within the Church will become visible as such. "Antichrist and his body" will "sit not in but as the Church". Already in the time of St. John the Evangelist, antichrists "went out from us".
19 They came of our company, but they never belonged to our company; if they had belonged to it, they would have persevered at our side. As it is, they were destined to prove that there are some who are no true companions of ours.
These "no true companions of ours" are called "mystery of iniquity" by the Apostle Paul, which has been "working" in the Church all the time. It refers "to the wicked and the hypocrites who are in the Church, until they reach a number so great as to furnish Antichrist with a great people". The revelation of this subterranean fifth column is the revelation of Antichrist. The tares take over the Church, transforming her into the Great Harlot Babylon ("I wondered, for I had seen the woman, with great admiration.") At the same time, the true Church, "they that are in Judea", "flee to the mountains", listening to the "voice from heaven: Go out from her, my people; that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues."
And the great city was divided into three parts; and the cities of the Gentiles fell. And great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the indignation of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
This great city is "all people entirely", "everyone who is under heaven". The first part (cities of the Gentiles) are those outside the Church, the second part (great Babylon) the hypocrites who so far had been in the Church, the third part (islands and mountains) are those not only called but also elected, now fleeing from the Harlot.
I believe that we've got most of the time of the final tribulation behind us. What seems to be the Church (in the eyes of the world), isn't the real thing.
Come, Lord Jesus.
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I think we are in the end times. Caveat, men in every generation have thought they were in the end times.
End or not though you can look around and see the system being broken down piece by piece. Floods here droughts there, plagues, the tyrany of evil men, millions of babies a year being sacrificed.
Whether end of the world or just end of something, bad shit is gonna happen in the next 5-10 years, I would use the next couple years to get myself ready.
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Agree with Marion and Durango. I think anything else is fantasy or wishful thinking. ("Oh well, I probably won't have to worry about this in my lifetime.") The devil is playing his usual hide-and-seek game, but I am not fooled. This does not mean that I think I'm of such stalwart soul and body that I'm any more prepared than others. I'm trying to walk the fine line between trust and vigilance, and definitely, definitely to make another General Confession within the next two years maximum. I would highly recommend the latter for all devout Catholics.
I don't think we should count on a particular prophecy to guarantee a period of restoration/peace before the final battle. Someone said on this thread or another that the outcomes of prophecies can vary radically depending on how the Church and the world respond, have responded, etc. What "would have been true"/predictable/likely 100, 50, 20, or even 5 years ago may no longer be operative, especially in a particular sequence or "timeline." I think it is very dangerous to assume "long periods" for anything. That is also a failure to understand what the term "era" or "period" might mean or what it once meant. Could have once meant 100 years and now means three years. Be careful of "fitting" God into our expectations and trying to become individual "prophets" ourselves.
Just be ready, and detach ourselves from any "loves" subordinate to divine love or competing with it.
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I think you can tell by the sky the sun , the moon, the sunsets, the clouds, something is going on, there's some kind of pending judgement
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Minor Chastisement or End Times?
What say you? What say your priests?
And you Miser Peccator? What say you? Any ideas, or just asking?
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And you Miser Peccator? What say you? Any ideas, or just asking?
Well, I know good Traditional Catholics and priests who disagree on this issue and their interpretation of the propehcies.
I'm open to either and can't definitively say either way myself.
I probably lean towards the end times scenario from what I am seeing, but I would never rule out the power of Mary's intercession.
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I probably lean towards the end times scenario from what I am seeing, but I would never rule out the power of Mary's intercession.
Well then, let's ask Our Lady Mary Queen of Heaven to intercede, that Our Lord may come as soon as possible. Why would anyone prefer more of this drama going on down here?
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Well then, let's ask Our Lady Mary Queen of Heaven to intercede, that Our Lord may come as soon as possible. Why would anyone prefer more of this drama going on down here?
I must say I agree with that. Some say Mary's era of peace is what comes after His arrival.
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I must say I agree with that. Some say Mary's era of peace is what comes after His arrival.
Yes, a true and real era of peace would have to be "the final era of peace". No more sin, at all.
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Don't fall into the trap of personal interpretation of the scriptures and prophesies. Many generations before us were convinced that it was the end times. And every single one was wrong. You are also throwing out Fatima's prophesies regarding the period of peace and the consecration of Russia.
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We are in THE end times. There is no doubt. All Biblical prophecies will be fulfilled by the end of this decade.
My best guess on specific stages is as follows:
1. We are now in what Our Lord calls "the birth pangs."
2. The next phase--the outright persecution of the faithful remnant by "the governors" (again the words of Our Lord). Think vaccine-related restrictions on buying and selling.
3. The next phase will be initiated by a supernatural event, described as "The Warning," which will not be heeded by most. It will probably be related to forcing vaccines on infants and small children under the age of reason.
4. Then, more intense persecution followed by another supernatural event, described as "The Miracle," after this happens there will be "a short period of peace" and many souls will covert but most will quickly fall away because of a mass media deception.
5. Finally, after the last act of Divine Mercy ("the Miracle") and its aftermath are over, the Great and Final Chastisement, the Day of the Lord, the Wrath, will commence. The Elect will not experience God's Wrath. Only those who have consistently rejected Our Lord's calls to repentance will experience the Wrath. This "splitting" off of the experience, the rewarding for some and the punishment for others, is very important. Most people worried about the end times seem to be worried about being punished by Our Lord. But if you keep the Commandments and treat your neighbors with Charity, you need not be worried.
A storm is coming. All of this is coming in a handful of years. Persevere and receive your reward. Detach yourself from "the world" and "worldly concerns." Prepare to meet Jesus face to face soon. If you are ready, you will have nothing to worry about.
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So are we going to skip over the Great Monarch and the 3 Days of Darkness and the period of peace PROMISED by Our Lady at Fatima?
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But I do agree we are heading toward rough waters. Though they aren't the final days. The prophesies are revolution (possibly due to unrest and the vax mandates that put people out of jobs), then famine, pestilence (kind of a second great depression) that morphs into the 3rd WW and that will morph into the 3 days. Its supposed to be short but swift and hard. Then the resoration and the final age of the church
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Don't fall into the trap of personal interpretation of the scriptures and prophesies. Many generations before us were convinced that it was the end times. And every single one was wrong. You are also throwing out Fatima's prophesies regarding the period of peace and the consecration of Russia.
No, it isn't just Fatima. There's a plethora of Catholic prophecy that all agree that there would be a falling away followed by a restoration/triumph under a great monarch and a holy pope.
But I don't believe in the Warning/Miracle at all. This is a time of testing based on the Catholic faith. As Our Lord told the rich man in hell when he asked that Our Lord would let him return to warn his relatives, they have what they need to believe.
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My sense is that the lack of a visible head for the past ~60 odd years is part of the chastisement.
Regarding a period of peace, we actually have enjoyed a period of relative peace. Prior to 1950 there were 2 world wars with hundreds of million dead or displaced in the space of 40 years. Today's conflicts pale in comparison, and there hasn't been a major conflict in Europe pretty much since WW2. Not sure what people are looking for to be honest, but it seems to me we are having a period of peace and have had one for about 80 years.
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My sense is that the lack of a visible head for the past ~60 odd years is part of the chastisement.
Regarding a period of peace, we actually have enjoyed a period of relative peace. Prior to 1950 there were 2 world wars with hundreds of million dead or displaced in the space of 40 years. Today's conflicts pale in comparison, and there hasn't been a major conflict in Europe pretty much since WW2. Not sure what people are looking for to be honest, but it seems to me we are having a period of peace and have had one for about 80 years.
The peace doesn't mean physical peace as in absence of conflict but rather refers to the peace of God.
We haven't had any peace of that sort for a long ime
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The peace doesn't mean physical peace as in absence of conflict but rather refers to the peace of God.
We haven't had any peace of that sort for a long ime
The context of Fatima was WWI. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me based on the context she was referring to war. You have a source for your take I could look at?