What say you?  What say your priests?

I'm surprised that only a few Traditionalists ever consider worst possible outcome. That is, you don't get the End Times, but there's no Great Chastisement either. 

What say you?  What say your priests?

Every trad priest I personally know believes that we are currently in End Times. That would include an independent priest (SPPV), two trad apostolates, and several conservative priests whose hearts are at least in the right place.

None of them are talking about restoration , time of peace, etc.  They all say that the world has gotten so bad that only divine intervention can reverse the momentum at this point.  In addition, exorcists point to the frenzied, intensified activity of the demons, which signifies to the exorcists a "last chance" to sow evil as abundantly as possible.  I look at what's going on with natural disasters (Ida, CA wildfires) and remember what exorcists say about the demons manipulating the weather.

I don't know how any Catholic can look around and fail to see that evil has invaded every aspect and realm of life: technology, entertainment, education, the press, the political world, medicine, and the Church itself.  The crimes being committed are increasingly bold, heartless, random, and of a sometimes demonic nature.

"I say to you, that he will quickly revenge them. But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?"

I think the meaning to the above words of Our Lord is that there will be essentially no one, i.e. only a very, very few, perhaps not even one person left on earth left to save - that's when the end comes. We know one soul is worth more than the whole world and everything in it re: the devil tempting Christ (Mat. 4:8-10), so as long as one soul remains who wants to be saved, the world will not end. 

I think we are in the end times but the end is still a long way off, at least I feel sure that it won't happen till well after I die. Things would need to accelerate profusely for that to change, imo. Because in spite of all the evil all over the world, people are still finding and converting or coming to the true faith - which is what it's all about.   

In other words, as long as there is faith on earth, there is reason for the earth's existence. That's my opinion.

Not if, but *when* the Jєωs convert, no? Which is another reason why I think it is more likely that the end of the world is a very long way off yet.

I already lived through one "end of the world is upon us" - that was when the V2 revolution was just beginning. I do not believe, at least I certainly hope I will not live to see the end of the world. My hope is to be dead, buried, and if by the grace of God I don't blow it, already in heaven when that happens. 

It depends upon what you call, “end times.”  We are certainly in the birth pangs, and expect them to increase in strength and frequency.  Is this “the” chastisement?  I think it’s the beginning of it.
As for what priests say, I don’t have “a priest” right now, but am in contact with a few of them.  One pretty much agrees with me.  Another says the vaxx is the mark of the beast and Francis is the false prophet.  Yet another thinks this is just another dry run, and, “We ain’t seen nothin’ yet.”  

I am squarely in this camp, the bolded, definitely.

Noah's flood was not the end of the world, yet almost everyone was killed.
 I think we are going into a major chastisement, unlike the world has ever experienced. Hopefully what is at the end of this for those who will be here to witness it, is the consecration of Russia and the reign of the Immaculate Heart.

Minor Chastisement or End Times?
What say you?  What say your priests?

I say that the Novus Ordo is the abomination of desolation, and most of the last days are already over.


There are two major strands of interpretation of the End Times. The first and earlier one expects a worldly leader who first uses seduction, and later violence and torture to gain souls for hell.

The second, and since the time of Sts. Jerome and Augustine predominant one, centers around the Church, not the world. Those outside the Church are prey of the devil, already. In the last days, the tares within the Church will become visible as such. "Antichrist and his body" will "sit not in but as the Church". Already in the time of St. John the Evangelist, antichrists "went out from us".

19 They came of our company, but they never belonged to our company; if they had belonged to it, they would have persevered at our side. As it is, they were destined to prove that there are some who are no true companions of ours.

These "no true companions of ours" are called "mystery of iniquity" by the Apostle Paul, which has been "working" in the Church all the time. It refers "to the wicked and the hypocrites who are in the Church, until they reach a number so great as to furnish Antichrist with a great people". The revelation of this subterranean fifth column is the revelation of Antichrist. The tares take over the Church, transforming her into the Great Harlot Babylon ("I wondered, for I had seen the woman, with great admiration.") At the same time, the true Church, "they that are in Judea", "flee to the mountains", listening to the "voice from heaven: Go out from her, my people; that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues."

And the great city was divided into three parts; and the cities of the Gentiles fell. And great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the indignation of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

This great city is "all people entirely", "everyone who is under heaven". The first part (cities of the Gentiles) are those outside the Church, the second part (great Babylon) the hypocrites who so far had been in the Church, the third part (islands and mountains) are those not only called but also elected, now fleeing from the Harlot.

I believe that we've got most of the time of the final tribulation behind us. What seems to be the Church (in the eyes of the world), isn't the real thing.


Come, Lord Jesus.