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Michael Voris banned from liberal diocese....
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2011, 04:55:41 PM »
Can a murderer still be a member of the catholic church?  Are you not aware that the Church contains both the good and the wicked?  Until they slide off into formal heresy and schism, they are still members, though wicked, dead pretenders and liars.  St. Augustine listed quite a few more criminals as within the Church.  A list that would surely scandalize.  If you conceive of the Church as an external, public society, as is defined Catholic doctrine, this will be more easily realized.  The Church as the Kingdom of God is as tangible as the Kingdom of France as Bellarmine would say.  At any rate, I see their heresy and schism being consumated in the near future.  

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Michael Voris banned from liberal diocese....
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2011, 08:51:21 PM »
Quote from: Caminus
Can a murderer still be a member of the catholic church?  Are you not aware that the Church contains both the good and the wicked?  Until they slide off into formal heresy and schism, they are still members, though wicked, dead pretenders and liars.  St. Augustine listed quite a few more criminals as within the Church.  A list that would surely scandalize.  If you conceive of the Church as an external, public society, as is defined Catholic doctrine, this will be more easily realized.  The Church as the Kingdom of God is as tangible as the Kingdom of France as Bellarmine would say.  At any rate, I see their heresy and schism being consumated in the near future.  


Schism, Heresy, and Apostasy separate a man from the Church. Other sins, however grave, do not. This has been quoted many times as follows:

Quote from: Pius XII, Mystici Corporis
22. Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed. "For in one spirit" says the Apostle, "were we all baptized into one Body, whether Jews or Gentiles, whether bond or free." [17] As therefore in the true Christian community there is only one Body, one Spirit, one Lord, and one Baptism, so there can be only one faith. [18] And therefore if a man refuse to hear the Church let him be considered -- so the Lord commands -- as a heathen and a publican. [19] It follows that those are divided in faith or government cannot be living in the unity of such a Body, nor can they be living the life of its one Divine Spirit.

23. Nor must one imagine that the Body of the Church, just because it bears the name of Christ, is made up during the days of its earthly pilgrimage only of members conspicuous for their holiness, or that it consists only of those whom God has predestined to eternal happiness. it is owing to the Savior's infinite mercy that place is allowed in His Mystical Body here below for those whom, of old, He did not exclude from the banquet. [20] For not every sin, however grave it may be, is such as of its own nature to sever a man from the Body of the Church, as does schism or heresy or apostasy. Men may lose charity and divine grace through sin, thus becoming incapable of supernatural merit, and yet not be deprived of all life if they hold fast to faith and Christian hope, and if, illumined from above, they are spurred on by the interior promptings of the Holy Spirit to salutary fear and are moved to prayer and penance for their sins.


I absolutely despise what you are doing here, Caminus.


Michael Voris banned from liberal diocese....
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2011, 09:03:38 PM »
SJB, all he's doing is stating his opinion that Benedict is a valid Pope. How is what he's doing wrong when you are doing the same thing by stating your opinion? That's a double-standard.

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Michael Voris banned from liberal diocese....
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2011, 09:06:38 PM »
Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
SJB, all he's doing is stating his opinion that Benedict is a valid Pope. How is what he's doing wrong when you are doing the same thing by stating your opinion? That's a double-standard.


No, he goes much further. There is no double-standard here.

Michael Voris banned from liberal diocese....
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2011, 09:09:43 PM »
The only thing I've seen him do that goes father than that is get a little nasty about it, but that was long ago during his fight with Raoul. And he's also right about heresy and schism coming to an end soon. There will be none for a while after the three days of darkness.