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Offline CathMomof7

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Michael Voris banned from liberal diocese....
« on: April 09, 2011, 05:09:47 PM »
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  • I usually don't keep up with the happenings in our local diocese, but I heard this from a friend and thought it was too funny.

    Apparently, a NO couple of the conservative type organized an event at Marywood University, which is a Catholic university in the Diocese of Scranton, PA.  But the Bishop, and what a great guy he is  :smirk:, banned him from speaking.  Here is their official statement:

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    The Diocese of Scranton has determined that Mr. Voris will not be allowed to speak in a Diocesan or parish facility. After these engagements were scheduled, the Diocese became aware of concerns about this individual’s views regarding other religious groups. In videos posted on the Internet, Mr. Voris makes comments that certainly can be interpreted as being insensitive to people of other faiths. The Catholic Church teaches us to respect all people, regardless of their faith tradition.

    Although the Diocese shares Mr. Voris’ support of efforts to protect human life, his extreme positions on other faiths are not appropriate and therefore the Diocese cannot host him.
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    The couple, who wanted to be obedient to the bishop, tried to set up another venue but they were refused that as well.

    I'm bringing this up, not because I "love" Michael Voris, but because this is what "traditional minded" NO Catholics face every day.  I was one of them, trapped inside the Church, locked away from the truth.  We had the courage, eventually, to leave, but their are many, many more who are told that they must be obedient to their bishops instead of being faithful to the Magisterium.  

    It's really sad.  


    Offline Jitpring

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    Michael Voris banned from liberal diocese....
    « Reply #1 on: April 09, 2011, 05:16:45 PM »
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  • Nauseating.

    Was it St. Athanasius who said something about the floor of hell being paved with the skulls of bishops?  :scratchchin:
    Age, thou art shamed.*
    O shame, where is thy blush?**

    -Shakespeare, Julius Caesar,* Hamlet**


    Offline stevusmagnus

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    « Reply #2 on: April 09, 2011, 08:04:11 PM »
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  • Who is "the Diocese"? Someone in the Diocesan office? Or the Bishop himself?

    Plus there is a BIG difference in being disrespectful/ insensitive to PERSONS of other faiths and "having extreme positions ON other faiths". What does that even mean? Did they cite specific videos or quotes from him? Did he get a hearing?

    In contrast, take a look at this. Are these speakers not disrespectful/ insensitive to orthodox Catholics? Do they not have "extreme" positions on the CATHOLIC Faith?

    http://www.calcatholic.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?id=1736afa6-2dc1-49b4-8011-ff09a5604e2a

    Published: March 16, 2010

    "Why is Cardinal Mahony promoting such speakers?"
    Group calls for picketing at LA archdiocese’s 2010 Religious Education Congress, calls it ‘dissent-fest’


    ANAHEIM, March 15 /Christian Newswire/ -- "Our committee is calling all Catholics to come join us and oppose Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony's latest dissent-fest," says Kenneth M. Fisher, chairman of Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc. (CRCOA). "He's going to make tens of thousands of Catholics hear Faith-subverters, the kind who get people to defy the Church on abortion, homosexuality, contraception, New Age practices and ordination of women."

    Fisher announced that on Saturday, March 20, 2010, from 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m., his group will picket Cardinal Mahony's annual Religious Education Congress, the world's largest training event for Catholic schoolteachers. (The Congress will be at the Anaheim Convention Center, March 18-21. The Saturday protest will be outside the Center's main exhibit hall. CRCOA will supply picket signs to picketers.)

    "Many of the presenters aren't objectionable, and Cardinal Mahony does have a few well-known 'token' orthodox Catholic speakers,” Fisher said. “But he's also bringing in speakers with long track records of dissent from Catholic doctrine.

    "Cardinal Mahony's pro-gays, women-priest advocates, New Agers and anti-Pope rebels will tell Catholic educators what to teach," Fisher warned. "Then the teachers will go home and infect countless innocent Catholic children with those errors."

    Fisher said CRCOA members will hand out flyers that expose speakers who dissent from the Church's doctrines. Here are examples of some of Cardinal Mahony's 188 speakers:

    A non-Catholic, far left, pro-contraception speaker who's said we don't need to ban aborting babies and who's advised U.S. senators and representatives on how to get believers to vote for pro-gay, pro-abortion Democrats

    A laicized priest who dissents from "a wide range of Church teachings" and wants women priests and women bishops

    A nun who called Catholic doctrine against non-marital sex "a fixation."

    A Catholic priest who told the 2005 REC that "we" need "public models" of "healthy gay priests for Catholics to reflect on."

    "Why is Cardinal Mahony promoting such speakers?" Fisher asked. "Shouldn't a cardinal make sure his speakers are loyal to the Church?"

    Fisher invites faithful Catholics to join CRCOA's peaceful, prayerful protest by calling him at: 714-491-2284 or e-mailing him at crcoa@dslextreme.com.



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    Michael Voris banned from liberal diocese....
    « Reply #3 on: April 10, 2011, 10:03:58 AM »
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  • Quote from: Jitpring
    Nauseating.

    Was it St. Athanasius who said something about the floor of hell being paved with the skulls of bishops?  :scratchchin:


    Saint John Chrysostom, if I am correct.

    Offline Raoul76

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    « Reply #4 on: April 10, 2011, 10:24:32 AM »
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  • Perfect Hegelianism. Now a bunch of people will get up-in-arms defending Michael Voris, who is questionable at best, and will never get beyond that to see the other myriad heresies and errors of Vatican II.

    It's the same way that there are some people in the Novus Ordo who style themselves conservative who often cling onto the abortion issue.  They decide in their mind that as long as they're against abortion they are "conservative," sort of like how on this site certain people say they will leave Vatican II finally when women priests are ordained.

    People make up a dividing line in their own minds and stick to it.  But what about the dividing line for the Church?

    The Novus Ordo structures, like the pagan world that infects them, have a "form of religion" but lacking the power thereof.  What you see in there often is really a form of relative morality, like with the neo-pagans.  Sort of like how a neo-pagan who lives in sin, but who doesn't cheat on his partner, considers himself better than other neo-pagans who have lots of one-night stands.  The famous "cafeteria Catholicism."

    With each day that passes, it gets more and more unlikely you will find many people who keep the faith whole and entire.  Luckily God doesn't expect everyone to be St. Thomas, I'm sure there are still some there who WOULD accept the truth if they heard it, but don't.  
    As I was a new convert when posting here, my posts are often full of error, even unwitting heresy and rash judgment, all of which I renounce, and all my writings are best avoided -- MDLS


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    « Reply #5 on: April 10, 2011, 12:13:42 PM »
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    sort of like how on this site certain people say they will leave Vatican II finally when women priests are ordained.


    Where in Vatican II was the ordination of women approved? If not, why would they have to "leave Vatican II" if women were ordained?

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    The Novus Ordo structures, like the pagan world that infects them, have a "form of religion" but lacking the power thereof.


    How so?

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    What you see in there often is really a form of relative morality, like with the neo-pagans.  Sort of like how a neo-pagan who lives in sin, but who doesn't cheat on his partner, considers himself better than other neo-pagans who have lots of one-night stands.  The famous "cafeteria Catholicism."


    Traditional Catholics don't do this?

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    With each day that passes, it gets more and more unlikely you will find many people who keep the faith whole and entire.  Luckily God doesn't expect everyone to be St. Thomas, I'm sure there are still some there who WOULD accept the truth if they heard it, but don't.  


    He doesn't? How else will they ever find out, after poring over treatises, that sede-ism is correct and save their souls?

    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #6 on: April 11, 2011, 01:44:03 PM »
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  • The Catholic Church doesn't teach that we should respect all religions, but rather Vatican II teaches it. The libs are not on the same level that the Trads are in terms of knowledge of religion, they are quite a few notches below.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 11, 2011, 09:59:20 PM »
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  • Here is their response:

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    Dear Friend in Christ,
     
    Every now and then, it becomes necessary to take one on the chin for the Faith.  Recent developments in Scranton Pennsylvania have proved it isn't the first and certainly won't be the last.  Please pass this episode of The Vortex along to as many friends and family as possible.
     
    http://www.youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV?feature=mhum#p/u/0/UDJx49A5D-4
     
    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/abbott/110408
    Article from Matt Abbott, containing Scranton's response
     
    http://thetimes-tribune.com/bishop-raises-concern-about-university-of-scranton-speaker-1.768404
    Bishop's concern over speaker
     
    http://www.realcatholictv.com/documents/vort-2011-04-11.pdf
    The 'gay-friendly' Archdiocese of Detroit history from Catholic World Report
     
    http://www.realcatholictv.com/documents/vort-2011-04-11-a.pdf
    Our response
     
    GOD Bless you and your loved ones,
     
    Michael Voris
    ~senior executive producer, RealCatholicTV.com


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    « Reply #8 on: April 12, 2011, 01:10:53 AM »
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  • The same Bishop allowed a pro-abortion and homosexual rights speaker in his diocese? What is the Bishop's response to this? Is it true?

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    « Reply #9 on: April 12, 2011, 06:42:23 AM »
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    The same Bishop allowed a pro-abortion and homosexual rights speaker in his diocese? What is the Bishop's response to this? Is it true?


    Call his office; please let us know.

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    « Reply #10 on: April 12, 2011, 06:48:10 AM »
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  • Scranton used to be the darling diocese of the neo-conservatives until the bishop there was forced to resign for health reasons.  The Conciliar church is so far gone that it may be impossible to reform it.


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    « Reply #11 on: April 12, 2011, 08:13:43 AM »
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    Where in Vatican II was the ordination of women approved? If not, why would they have to "leave Vatican II" if women were ordained?


    When they allowed the altar girls and women speaking at the pulpit.  Now its just a matter of timing.  

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    « Reply #12 on: April 13, 2011, 03:13:32 PM »
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    The same Bishop allowed a pro-abortion and homosexual rights speaker in his diocese? What is the Bishop's response to this? Is it true?


    Yes, Stevus, this is true.  I live in this diocese.  I am a former member of the NO church in this diocese.  I don't usually keep up with it, and I don't care really, but this is what people must put up with.

    Bishop Bambera was appointed by B16.

    He allowed a pro-abort, pro-lesbian to speak at same College as long as she was "monitored."

    Yet he refused Michael Voris because he criticizes the VII theology of "religious freedom."

    I would like to say, I am NOT a supporter of Michael Voris, but I think he does offer a voice that "conservative" Catholics won't here otherwise.

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    « Reply #13 on: April 13, 2011, 03:26:15 PM »
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    Scranton used to be the darling diocese of the neo-conservatives until the bishop there was forced to resign for health reasons.  The Conciliar church is so far gone that it may be impossible to reform it.


    There are so many misconceptions about the Diocese of Scranton.  I live here.  I know what is happening around this diocese.  They are liars and pretenders.  Bishop Martino, who was no friend to tradition, was run out on a rail because he had the audacity to stand up the USSCB.  He routinely sent out letters to priests that they ignored telling them not to support pro-abort congressmen and politicians.  He stayed in skirmishes with the universities because he demanded an account of their curriculum and lecturers.  He also refused to give in to the teacher's union who run the Catholic school system.  He tried to clean up the sexual abuse mess left to him by the his predecessor by exposing and having arrested as many men as he could prove.  The people in this diocese HATED the man.

    Bishop Bambera was chosen by Pope Benedict last year.  He was recommended by Cardinal Regali.  Bambera is a native to the Diocese.  His legacy is one of allowing pro-aborts to speak at the universities, allowing drug-addicted priests to continue their "work" of embezzling money from the parish, removing faculties of priests who are preaching about and preparing themselves for the Chastisement, and reducing the amount of Masses offered by the FSSP.


    Edited to add:  I am NOT a NO Catholic.  I do not support them in anyway, shape, form or fashion.  I am only posting this as information as to what NO Catholic lay-people, many of whom are simply ignorant to the crisis, have to contend with in this dioces.[/color]

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    « Reply #14 on: April 13, 2011, 03:44:34 PM »
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    There are so many misconceptions about the Diocese of Scranton.  I live here.  I know what is happening around this diocese.  They are liars and pretenders.


    Yet according to Caminus, they still "profess the Faith" and must be considered Catholics until they are judged in an ecclesiastical trial.
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil


     

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