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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Lover of Truth on July 20, 2016, 02:19:39 PM
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http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/voris-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ-vortex.htm
The Michael Voris Show is over...
Michael Voris and the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Vortex: Author E. Michael Jones flattens Church Militant
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This is nothing to gloat over, it is just awful, tragic, and depressing because souls are at stake, but it goes to show once more that this whole phenomenon of Novus Ordo celebrities giving you the “real Catholicism” has got to stop.
Michael Voris, the well-known face of Church Militant and its Vortex program, is now becoming the latest in a series of fallen heroes the Modernist Sect has rolled out from time to time as the “real Catholics” one should attach oneself to if one is disillusioned with the namby-pamby ultra-Modernist status quo. Other individuals whose hyped-up status ended in disgrace include: “Fr.” John Corapi, “Fr.” Alberto Cutié, “Fr.” Francis Mary Stone, Fr. Benedict Groeschel, and Fr. Kenneth Roberts.
On July 10, 2016, E. Michael Jones, the editor of Culture Wars and director of Fidelity Press, released a book entitled The Man Behind the Curtain: Michael Voris and the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Vortex, a 71-page work that claims to tell the inside story of Church Militant as an operation suffering theologically and organizationally under the narcissism of its frontman, Michael Voris, a self-confessed former sodomite whose delusions about his own self — still wounded by a past of unnatural vice that can only be overcome by years of penance — are at the origin of his whole super-Catholic-fighting-for-orthodoxy shtick. In fact, according to Jones, Voris’ claim that he was revealing his own sordid past in order to pre-empt the Archdiocese of New York from exposing him, was a lie. The Archdiocese had no such plans; Voris simply needed a credible excuse for why he was outing himself. Based on alleged inside information, Jones recounts the events that really led to this decision. By what moral authority the author presumes to disclose internal business communication, presumably private correspondence, and hidden sins, is not clear. What is clear is that the matter is now public.
The book is available only in electronic format at this point and can be purchased here:
•The Man Behind the Curtain: Michael Voris and the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Vortex by E. Michael Jones (Amazon.com)
A preview of the contents and customer reviews are also available at the link above. The official description of The Man Behind the Curtain at Jones’ web site reads as follows:
The Man Behind the Curtain: Michael Voris and the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Vortex by E. Michael Jones. In April 2016 Michael Voris's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ past finally caught up with him. The crusading on-camera face of Church Militant TV who had been the scourge of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in the Catholic Church turned out to be a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ himself and tried to bring closure to the scandal by outing himself. But even if damage control brought about a quick fix, many questions remained unanswered. The Man Behind the Curtain addresses all of those questions.
(Source: “The Fidelity Press E-Book Collection”, Culture Wars; italics used for bold print.)
The content of the book is often sordid, disturbing, and depressing. Our decision to even publish this post was not an easy one, because we are certainly not interested in spreading gossip. However, the release of this book by such a credible and respected author is too big of a story to ignore. It has immense implications for the conservative/semi-traditional wing of the Novus Ordo Church, and hence we ought to inform the public about it.
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To be clear: Novus Ordo Watch makes no claim as to the accuracy of the content of Jones’ book, and we certainly do not endorse his Novus Ordo theological views. We wish merely to draw attention to the fact that this book has been published and that a serious author stands behind its now-public contents. Although Jones (pictured left) keeps his sources anonymous, it is clear that he is privy to lots of inside information, as is evident, among other things, from the many e-mails he quotes.
E. Michael Jones is a dyed-in-the-wool Novus Ordo and no friend of traditionalists in general, much less of sedevacantists in particular. But unlike many internet loudmouths, Jones is a respected and serious author who has credibility. Some of his books have been produced by such recognized publishers as Ignatius Press and St. Augustine’s Press. Jones’ work focuses mostly on issues of culture, society, and (the Novus Ordo version of) Catholicism. In 1993, Jones debated the British Lefebvrist Michael Davies on the Society of St. Pius X and the question of schism.
When Michael Voris announced to the world on April 21, 2016, that he had lived as a sodomite for years before his conversion, we did not make a big announcement about it. One or two tweets, perhaps a post on Facebook, and that was it. We thought it was the higher and better road to take, especially since our essential criticism of Voris pertained to his erroneous theology and his refusal to rebuke Francis for the same things he blames everyone else for, and not for what he may or may not have done 20 years ago that he has since repented of.
However, not everyone else thought the same way. Some people in fact seemed to detect that something was fishy about the whole thing. The following is a list of links to articles and a video authored by different people, all non-sedevacantists, who commented on Voris’ confession back in April:
•The Michael Voris Affair (Maureen Mullarkey)
•Not So Sure I Support Voris (The Hirsch Files)
•Michael Voris Out of the Closet (Tradition In Action)
•Michael Voris Biography & Timeline (Church Militant via Argument of the Month Club)
•He that Doth Truth, Cometh to the Light (One Peter Five)
But be all that as it may, we very much intend this post to be the last one of its kind regarding Michael Voris and Church Militant. The real problems with the Novus Ordo Sect and its various fight-from-within factions are theological.
So, let this latest scandal be yet another warning to people not to get invovled with — and be potentially burned or scandalized by — such celebrity personas and organizations that promote them. Due to their inexperience, the youth in particular are in danger of getting sucked into such “cool” organizations.
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Semi-traditionalists and neo-conservatives in the Vatican II Sect who now experience a crisis of faith because of this are merely demonstrating that they have put their faith, their trust, their hope in a human being or a human apostolate rather than in God and the true Catholic Church. But as Holy Writ counsels us: “Put not your trust in princes” (Ps 145:2), and, “It is good to trust in the Lord, rather than to trust in princes” (Ps 117:9). Just like with private revelations and apparitions, people who attach themselves to celebrity personas have not understood Catholicism.
Naturally, this goes for Novus Ordo Watch too, which is also a merely human apostolate: Please do not “follow” Novus Ordo Watch in the sense of outsourcing your faith, your intellect, or your will to it. We only try to be a tool that helps you discover and understand what the Catholic Church teaches and how this differs from the false doctrines of the Modernist Vatican II Sect. We try as much as possible to keep the focus on content and away from the people who produce it: Embrace sedevacantism because you realize it is true, not because Bp. X, Fr. Y, or Mr. Z says so.
Be attached to our Lord Jesus Christ, His true (!) Vicars, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and the saints. Be attached to our Lord’s Mystical Body, the Church. This alone is where you will find salvation. The true Catholic Church does not need to be “resisted”. She is not in need of a super-orthodox layman that fights the heretical bishops, for the simple reason that if any bishop is indeed a heretic, he is no longer a bishop of the Church.
In 1885, Pope Leo XIII laid out the cor`rect attitude Catholics must have with respect to their bishops, and it is not the attitude Michael Voris has nor any of the self-appointed semi-traditionalist pundits like Michael Matt, Chris Ferrara, or John Vennari:
To the shepherds alone was given all power to teach, to judge, to direct; on the faithful was imposed the duty of following their teaching, of submitting with docility to their judgment, and of allowing themselves to be governed, corrected, and guided by them in the way of salvation. Thus, it is an absolute necessity for the simple faithful to submit in mind and heart to their own pastors, and for the latter to submit with them to the Head and Supreme Pastor. In this subordination and dependence lie the order and life of the Church; in it is to be found the indispensable condition of well-being and good government. On the contrary, if it should happen that those who have no right to do so should attribute authority to themselves, if they presume to become judges and teachers, if inferiors in the government of the universal Church attempt or try to exert an influence different from that of the supreme authority, there follows a reversal of the true order, many minds are thrown into confusion, and souls leave the right path.
(Pope Leo XIII, Apostolic Letter Epistola Tua)
This goes to show once more that this middle position of recognize-and-resist is contradicted by Catholic teaching. If Francis is the Pope, then to be truly Catholic, one has to subscribe entirely to the Novus Ordo magisterium. Then everything the Catholic Church teaches about herself applies exactly the same way to the church of which Francis is the head. But this would result in a contradiction, of course, because the Novus Ordo religion differs essentially from the Catholic religion of Pope Pius XII and his predecessors.
This leaves only one option: The only way to be a real Catholic today is to be a sedevacantist.
Here’s how to do that.
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This leaves only one option: The only way to be a real Catholic today is to be a sedevacantist.
This belief is the main problem I have with Novus Ordo Watch. They do not consider anyone but sedevacantists to be Catholic. Even Bishop Pivarunas, the sedevacantist head of the CMRI, the largest sedevacantist group of priests that Novus Ordo Watch promotes, believes that many non-sedevacantist traditional Catholics are true Catholics, but Novus Ordo Watch is more radical than he is. The writers at Novus Ordo Watch are truly what Matthew calls dogmatic sedevacantists and their views are supposted to be banned on this forum. So I think Matthew should ban all links to Novus Ordo Watch and change their name to "schism watch" similar to what he does to the Dimond Brothers.
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Sodomites are everywhere - from the sspx pews to the novus ordo and back again.
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But, a word of caution to the sedevacantists: don't gloat.
In other words, it may be coming to a sede chapel near you soon. :scared2:
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But, a word of caution to the sedevacantists: don't gloat.
In other words, it may be coming to a sede chapel near you soon. :scared2:
There have been SV cases, and quite s few suspected SV sodomite priests.
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This leaves only one option: The only way to be a real Catholic today is to be a sedevacantist.
This belief is the main problem I have with Novus Ordo Watch. They do not consider anyone but sedevacantists to be Catholic. Even Bishop Pivarunas, the sedevacantist head of the CMRI, the largest sedevacantist group of priests that Novus Ordo Watch promotes, believes that many non-sedevacantist traditional Catholics are true Catholics, but Novus Ordo Watch is more radical than he is. The writers at Novus Ordo Watch are truly what Matthew calls dogmatic sedevacantists and their views are supposted to be banned on this forum. So I think Matthew should ban all links to Novus Ordo Watch and change their name to "schism watch" similar to what he does to the Dimond Brothers.
If it is Catholic not to submit to a valid Pope or to believe that public heretic can be Pope then your on to something.
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Read the book. Maybe I'll do a review.
Sad. Voris did a few cool things. But yes, Jones is right when he explains that the Vortex is a big narcissistic fest for Voris.
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I stopped reading his books. He has some weird non-Catholic theological ideas. I guess it comes from being a militant Novus Ordo.
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Sodomites are everywhere - from the sspx pews to the novus ordo and back again.
It's been a while since I read it, but I recall Atila Sinke Guimarães' book, Vatican II, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and Pedophilia, one of the reasons the Church and state were so harsh in punishing sodomites historically is because it is like a plague that will spread and become an epidemic if not brutally crushed. Therefore it is sadly not surprising to see it spreading everywhere now that the state has for many years decriminalized these vile practices and the media and education institutions have relentlessly worked to normalize it.
Trads are not immune to these influences and certainly not immune to the wounds of original sin.
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Sodomites are everywhere - from the sspx pews to the novus ordo and back again.
They are running the world. They are in politics, media, Hollywood, schools, colleges and our Churches.
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But, a word of caution to the sedevacantists: don't gloat.
In other words, it may be coming to a sede chapel near you soon. :scared2:
It already there. Tetherow and his band of perverts tried to take over a sede chapel in South Jersey. He had one of his minions operate the parish who wasn't even a real ordained priest lead the parish for a short period of time.
Now the sede parish is back to having a real priest and bishop.
Also, the fake priest is now in Florida looking for a chapel per traditio.
The Sede chapels are at most risk because Catholics are desperate to have a priest.
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But, a word of caution to the sedevacantists: don't gloat.
In other words, it may be coming to a sede chapel near you soon. :scared2:
Two idiots gave me a thumbs down for this.
This place is starting to remind me of grammar school.
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I'm well aware of what has and is going down in sede chapels since I was sitting in their pews probably long before most of you were born or potty trained.
My comment was meant more as a warning that if it hadn't happened lately, not to think of yourself safe from the sods.
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I'm well aware of what has and is going down in sede chapels since I was sitting in their pews probably long before most of you were born or potty trained.
My comment was meant more as a warning that if it hadn't happened lately, not to think of yourself safe from the sods.
Well, the way I see it, sedes (I am one myself) are not immune from Original Sin nor are we immune from infiltration. Sodomites will go to sede chapels for the same reasons they might seek out other traditional chapels. Some of them are attracted by the aesthetics, some wish to prey on people who are more innocent and not as inured to the way of the world and therefore may be more vulnerable.
The Church has always been vigilant against this vice and so mist we. The very reason we have quotes from the likes of St. Basil and St. Augustine about how sodomites should be dealt with is because even in their day they had to deal with such people.
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I'm well aware of what has and is going down in sede chapels since I was sitting in their pews probably long before most of you were born or potty trained.
My comment was meant more as a warning that if it hadn't happened lately, not to think of yourself safe from the sods.
Well, the way I see it, sedes (I am one myself) are not immune from Original Sin nor are we immune from infiltration. Sodomites will go to sede chapels for the same reasons they might seek out other traditional chapels. Some of them are attracted by the aesthetics, some wish to prey on people who are more innocent and not as inured to the way of the world and therefore may be more vulnerable.
The Church has always been vigilant against this vice and so mist we. The very reason we have quotes from the likes of St. Basil and St. Augustine about how sodomites should be dealt with is because even in their day they had to deal with such people.
Well-stated.
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http://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/news-digest-july-21-2016.htm
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Published July 21, 2016
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I thought this was a Voris thread
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It was but I'm not allowed to start more than one NOW thread a day.
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But, a word of caution to the sedevacantists: don't gloat.
In other words, it may be coming to a sede chapel near you soon. :scared2:
It already there. Tetherow and his band of perverts tried to take over a sede chapel in South Jersey. He had one of his minions operate the parish who wasn't even a real ordained priest lead the parish for a short period of time.
Now the sede parish is back to having a real priest and bishop.
Also, the fake priest is now in Florida looking for a chapel per traditio.
The Sede chapels are at most risk because Catholics are desperate to have a priest.
Isn't Tetherow the fαɢɢօt conciliarist (expediently turned "traditionalist") prietender somehow connected to Bishop-in-Waiting Pfeiffer?
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Read the book. Maybe I'll do a review.
Sad. Voris did a few cool things. But yes, Jones is right when he explains that the Vortex is a big narcissistic fest for Voris.
Haven't read the book, nor will I. I am curious, though, what the author alleges was Voris's reason for disclosing his past if not to preempt the New York Archdiocese as he claims. I just don't see the upside to doing so.