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Offline Santiago

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Michael Voris
« on: April 02, 2013, 09:28:44 AM »
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  • Hey guys. I have discovered recently this Catholic called Michael Voris.
    He seems to have done a lot of good videos related to the faith.

    I am wondering what is your opinion of him ?
    Thank you.

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    Offline 1st Mansion Tenant

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    « Reply #1 on: April 02, 2013, 10:47:46 AM »
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  • I listen to the Vortex sometimes, Voris has a conservative view within the NO and would like to see a return to more Traditional Catholicism. He is not afraid to speak out about bad bishops and call attention to important issues and NO abuses. Sometimes I wonder why his car doesn't explode when he turns the ignition in the mornings, considering some of the scorching rebukes he has given to powerful Church officials, gαys, and politicians. Being in the same room while I listened to some of his videos actually helped start a stubborn Protestant friend on the path to eventual conversion to the faith. ( the friend now attends SSPX)  But I once received an email from him warning me against the SSPX after I commented about going to an SSPX chapel because of the NO abuses, so he is definitely not friendly towards the Society. This is all I have to offer about Mike.


    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #2 on: April 02, 2013, 10:51:35 AM »
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  • Voris used to be a Novus Ordo neo-con, but has come a little closer to Tradition the last few years.

    However, he has more of an FSSP or Indult mindset, and if I remember correctly, he's a fan of Father Z.
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    Offline Renzo

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    « Reply #3 on: April 02, 2013, 11:12:51 AM »
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  • I have pretty much the same opinion of him as everyone else, so far in this thread.  
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    Offline Stubborn

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    « Reply #4 on: April 02, 2013, 11:56:47 AM »
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  • My .02 on him from the Dolanism thread, jfwiw:

    It's not that MV does not expose lies and falsehoods, it's that he never exposes them fully. If he did, he would have to admit that Cardinal Dolan's actions accurately represent exactly what the NO is all about, he would expose the fact that Cardinal Dolan is doing nothing wrong according to the NO - because Cardinal Dolan (and most, if not all of his brother NO clergy) truly and fully  understand the NO and is simply doing his part implementing and living what the NO teaches, albeit while masquerading as a Cardinal of the Catholic Church.

    MV's problem is that he stops well short - and in so doing, as has already been posted here, he misleads many otherwise sincere but unknowing Catholics right back into the modernist's machinery, the lions den, to let them figure out on their own whether to remain compromisers or to find something else - but what is that something else? What is the solution? These and many other pertinent questions he leaves unanswered and unexposed - which leaves unknowing Catholics in a state of confusion, which leads ultimately to indifference.
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    « Reply #5 on: April 02, 2013, 12:04:06 PM »
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  • He's not perfect, but he certainly takes on big enemies.

    I'm always suspicious of what I call 'professional Catholics' but after keeping an eye on him for awhile he doesn't pull punches.

    He does have a hangup about staying within the Roman framework (warts and all), but he levels legitimate criticism at the protestantlike fracturing within tradition generally and the SSPX specifically (and now the resistance, the Fellayites, etc)

    Now if you'll excuse me I have to brace myself for downvotes.

    Offline jen51

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    « Reply #6 on: April 02, 2013, 03:21:58 PM »
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  • Quote from: Iuvenalis
    He's not perfect, but he certainly takes on big enemies.

    I'm always suspicious of what I call 'professional Catholics' but after keeping an eye on him for awhile he doesn't pull punches.

    He does have a hangup about staying within the Roman framework (warts and all), but he levels legitimate criticism at the protestantlike fracturing within tradition generally and the SSPX specifically (and now the resistance, the Fellayites, etc)

    Now if you'll excuse me I have to brace myself for downvotes.


    I agree with what you say. I might also add that I think he serves as a stepping stone between the NO and the "hardliners" as he seems to be in between himself. I'm sure he serves as an eye opener to many well-meaning but ignorant NO goers. For that I give him points.
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    « Reply #7 on: April 02, 2013, 03:26:33 PM »
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  • I enjoy Michael Voris' videos too.  I think he would be a good place for a novus ordite to start researching the problems with new church.  

    Michael Voris' videos are entertaining and enjoyable.  

    Maybe Michael Voris will become, in 2023, the Dr. Droeletsky of today.  


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    « Reply #8 on: April 02, 2013, 05:15:34 PM »
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  • I think some of his videos are a good starting point to help people within the Vatican II system wake up. They could be a stepping stone into tradition, which makes them useful. I don't like some the contemporaries of Voris, but he is a total improvement over Scott Hahn. I'm willing to suppose the message, coming from someone within the Vatican II church would be taken better by NO Catholics. Hopefully Mr Voris will come to the logical conclusion to get away from the NO establishment and take many people with him. So while I'm not in agreement with him, I do think God can draw some good out of his work. I suppose we all have some praying to do for Voris.

    Offline Mithrandylan

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    « Reply #9 on: April 02, 2013, 05:30:27 PM »
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  • From what I've been told, Voris' 'subscription based' materials are very good, though I do not have a subscription, only on his email list for the videos.  What's been said so far is very good, it seems that his main use would be as a stepping stone from the NO to Tradition.  Iuve said he doesn't pull punches, and that's true to an extent.  I believe that he understands the problems in the Church better than most Catholics, but he does not apply those principles where they really belong (the post conciliar pontiffs and VII itself [as opposed to it's 'spirit] and the new mass itself).  He has the imaginary prisoner pope syndrome.  I watch his videos every day (though I don't usually finish them) and it has become very frustrating watching him discuss this fantasy of a holy and orthodox pontiff (whether BXVI or F) surrounded by wolves at every turn.  

    At the end of the day, he's a tad who I pray will cross over.  He's a sharp guy, and he's a good speaker and his zeal and devotion are unquestionable.
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    « Reply #10 on: April 02, 2013, 06:39:00 PM »
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  • Just an afterthought- Please pause and say an Ave for Mike Voris. He has many enemies because of his truthfulness. Many would love to see him fall and be involved in an ugly scandal. The fallout could damage the faith of so many.  Please pray that God will help him avoid temptations to sin and protect him from evil plans against him.  Thanks.

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    « Reply #11 on: April 03, 2013, 06:02:55 PM »
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  • He attends the TLM.

    Offline Nadir

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    « Reply #12 on: April 04, 2013, 09:53:31 AM »
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  • Quote from: Santiago
    Hey guys. I have discovered recently this Catholic called Michael Voris.
    He seems to have done a lot of good videos related to the faith.

    I am wondering what is your opinion of him ?
    Thank you.

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    Santiago


    Without reading the other postings, my initial reaction is to say his look, sound, style  and approach irritate me. He is your typical NO conservative whinger. You know: the type who go on and on and on complaining but cannot see the writing on the wall or the elephant in the dining room.
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    « Reply #13 on: April 04, 2013, 03:09:09 PM »
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  • His recent video, "Attacking the Pope" was a good one. Some of his critics in general think him "soft" on the Pope, but in my opinion Michael Voris appreciates the need for Catholics to have special reverence for the Vicar of Christ.

    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

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    « Reply #14 on: April 04, 2013, 03:33:14 PM »
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  • Quote from: Nishant
    His recent video, "Attacking the Pope" was a good one. Some of his critics in general think him "soft" on the Pope, but in my opinion Michael Voris appreciates the need for Catholics to have special reverence for the Vicar of Christ.


    A friend sent this to me, from some fellow named J.D. Salyer:
     
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    One problem with the modern world is that we have by and large lost any healthy grasp of the nature of authority & hierarchy. Many Catholics have undergone an unfortunate Protestantization, insofar as they only respect authority they find in texts -- whether the Bible or encyclicals or catechism or a liturgical manual -- which they take it upon themselves to interpret. At the same time they exhibit virtually no respect whatsoever for the authority invested in apostolic offices.
     
    We're perfectly willing to be obedient to any pope ... provided he's been dead for a century or so, and/or he tells us what we have already ourselves judged to be correct.
     
    Every time a ship gets a new captain, every sailor should not be expected to sycophantically praise him to the skies -- especially if there are reservations about the new skipper's prudence & navigational skills. On the other hand, if you are a deckhand, neither is it your place to run about trumpeting to the world your personal contempt for the new skipper.
     
    If a Catholic hasn't at least a little hesitation about loudly denouncing the Pope, then I have to wonder how much of what he refers to as Catholic tradition, authority, and hierarchy is merely a construct of his own mind.


    The claimed choices seem to be either "sycophantically praising him to the skies" or "loudly denouncing" him. The two heads of an entirely emotional response.
     
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil