Here, in THIS FORUM, I registered as TerryCMTV, with the express purpose of allowing anyone who wishes to get clarification on CMTV issues from someone actually capable of addressing them.

The issue with CMTV that I'd like to see discussed has to do with why the lies and falsehoods are only half exposed.

I understand that with what is going on in the Church today that no one can always put the whole story into a 5 minute video, but they could - and should be able to tell the whole story in *many* 5 minute videos - yet after CMTV's  1000s of videos, "the rest of the story" continues on unexposed - or only half exposed.

I bet most people who see those videos don't think there is anything wrong with half the things that CMTV exposes any more - and I don't think that will change until the real reason as to why they are wrong is also reported.

In Catholic charity, people need to hear not just what - but also why the Cardinal(s), Bishop(s) or priest(s) etc. said and did things that the Church has always condemned - if you did that, then the people would have the info they can use to actually do something to help stop the destruction - if nothing else, they should be informed of at least what not to do.  

People need to hear and they need to see the complete picture - not be left wondering why such abominations happen. . . . . many have been wondering too long already, and many simply compromise the whole issue away - so when you expose the lies and falsehoods, why stop short - why not expose the whole thing?

For example, why not come right out out and tell the people that Cardinal Dolan is only one of the enemies in the hierarchy using his authority to destroy the Church? You have the proof to do it. Expose them all for what they are and why.

It's not like there is no proof of the hierarchy's blatant *and constant* heretical offenses so certainly your accusations are substantiated - so why not expose the whole story?

I have another idea, how about instead of posting a link to a lengthy docuмent about your response to sedevacantism "generally", wherein you ramble about the SSPX and *say* really nothing (if anyone bothers to read that far?) ...

Now again, you've inserted yourself into the conversation (but you do not control the terms), how about them Black Masses re:SSPX Masses, huh?

When a forum's resident bully establishes his territory, he gets away with things that newcomers do not.  The bully can say things that aren't true because his authority has given him a bizarre kind of credibility.  I can think of no other explanation for why no one here in this forum challenged you on what I quoted above.  The CMTV posting "Sedevacantism: General Response" contains not a single reference to the SSPX, so how can it be true that "you ramble about the SSPX and *say* really nothing (if anyone bothers to read that far?)"?  I even said, when I provided that link, that its relevance to CMTV's statement about the SSPX was its discussion of the importance of visible union with the visible Church, not that it was about the SSPX directly.

So you didn't read that.  Nor did you read the really excellent comments in response to the posting where I said that it is "CONCEIVABLE" that a Mass offered disobediently by a validly ordained SSPX priest COULD BE as offensive to God as a Black Mass, which is also offered by a validly ordained priest disobediently.  The point being made was that disobedience should not be treated lightly, particularly when a priest is offering the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in persona Christi, whose life was nothing if not obedient.  I think it is scandalous for an alter Christus to offer, in persona Christi, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, disobediently.

Spare me the self-serving Deus supplet in an emergency.

It seems to me that your intent, in the way you have responded here, is to discourage those you intimidate from learning or knowing more than you would like them to learn or know.  Giving links to external materials is threatening to you because you can't dictate how people should react or respond.  You are a classic authoritarian bully ruling in an echo chamber.

All that being said, I hate to deprive you of the schadenfreude (look it up) of seeing me suffer your predictably emotional response because, after scouting the terrain here, I'm not interested in participating any further in a "dialog of the deaf."  If anyone has any questions or comments, positive or negative, about Michael Voris and CMTV, feel free to use the "contact info" on the web site and the email will be directed to me.

If you are what joy looks like, I want no part of you.

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Here, in THIS FORUM, I registered as TerryCMTV, with the express purpose of allowing anyone who wishes to get clarification on CMTV issues from someone actually capable of addressing them.

The issue with CMTV that I'd like to see discussed has to do with why the lies and falsehoods are only half exposed.

I understand that with what is going on in the Church today that no one can always put the whole story into a 5 minute video, but they could - and should be able to tell the whole story in *many* 5 minute videos - yet after CMTV's  1000s of videos, "the rest of the story" continues on unexposed - or only half exposed.

I bet most people who see those videos don't think there is anything wrong with half the things that CMTV exposes any more - and I don't think that will change until the real reason as to why they are wrong is also reported.

In Catholic charity, people need to hear not just what - but also why the Cardinal(s), Bishop(s) or priest(s) etc. said and did things that the Church has always condemned - if you did that, then the people would have the info they can use to actually do something to help stop the destruction - if nothing else, they should be informed of at least what not to do.  

People need to hear and they need to see the complete picture - not be left wondering why such abominations happen. . . . . many have been wondering too long already, and many simply compromise the whole issue away - so when you expose the lies and falsehoods, why stop short - why not expose the whole thing?

For example, why not come right out out and tell the people that Cardinal Dolan is only one of the enemies in the hierarchy using his authority to destroy the Church? You have the proof to do it. Expose them all for what they are and why.

It's not like there is no proof of the hierarchy's blatant *and constant* heretical offenses so certainly your accusations are substantiated - so why not expose the whole story?

I can see you asked the same question twice:

My .02 on him from the Dolanism thread, jfwiw:

It's not that MV does not expose lies and falsehoods, it's that he never exposes them fully. If he did, he would have to admit that Cardinal Dolan's actions accurately represent exactly what the NO is all about, he would expose the fact that Cardinal Dolan is doing nothing wrong according to the NO - because Cardinal Dolan (and most, if not all of his brother NO clergy) truly and fully  understand the NO and is simply doing his part implementing and living what the NO teaches, albeit while masquerading as a Cardinal of the Catholic Church.

MV's problem is that he stops well short - and in so doing, as has already been posted here, he misleads many otherwise sincere but unknowing Catholics right back into the modernist's machinery, the lions den, to let them figure out on their own whether to remain compromisers or to find something else - but what is that something else? What is the solution? These and many other pertinent questions he leaves unanswered and unexposed - which leaves unknowing Catholics in a state of confusion, which leads ultimately to indifference.

And, you received no answer for it...

In my opinion, CMTV is a business enterprise that produces certain products for a specific market. That Market mostly include the Conservatives from the so-called "Novus Ordo", the Opus Dei, and "Pope-Friendly" TLM Parishioners. Its market does not include every variety of Catholic traditionalism, but their products have features that might be of interest for many traditionalists.

CMTV avoids all the controversial angles from where its products could find incompatibility with its main Market. That is a very smart business-wise way to proceed, but it is not a "Real Catholic" way of sharing truths with Catholics.

An analogy could be made with Fr. Gruner, He also avoids all conflicting angles intentionally.

I think that could be "an answer" to your question.

Mr. Voris, although he produces some good content, is, in the end, just another in the long, growing list of "professional Catholics." These people, despite not having the courage or will to expose the very source of the crisis in the church (i.e., "Rome"), will nevertheless use that very crisis to make a buck. Their unwillingness to lay the blame where it belongs reminds me of the scene in the original Planet of the Apes: "There IS no cave. There CAN'T be!"