Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: MHT Seminary Newsletter (February 2012)  (Read 10577 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8212
  • Reputation: +7173/-7
  • Gender: Male
MHT Seminary Newsletter (February 2012)
« Reply #75 on: March 20, 2012, 03:37:57 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: roscoe
    It seems as if the feminist Myrna will never learn that women have No Business meddling in theological matters. MO is that she is a Prot.


    So now Myrna is a feminist and Protestant, huh?

    Didn't you once say you thought non-sedevacantists aren't Catholic? Oh wait, here's your comment right here:

    Quote
    I do not agree that those who acknowledge Ben 16 are Catholic


    And the thread you stated it on:

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=11655&f=8&min=20&num=10

    I think we all know who the real Protestant is, after looking at this.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


    Offline MyrnaM

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 6273
    • Reputation: +3628/-347
    • Gender: Female
      • Myforever.blog/blog
    MHT Seminary Newsletter (February 2012)
    « Reply #76 on: March 20, 2012, 04:16:42 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: roscoe
    Quote from: MyrnaM
    I could be all wrong, but it seems that some Traditional Catholics do not really think of their chapels or wherever they are attending Mass as The Church.

    I attend CMRI, and I don't concern myself with questions like do they have jurisdiction or not.  The first law is not jurisdiction for the Church, it is saving souls.  CMRI as far as I am concerned is the Church, as well as SSPX, as well as anywhere else that offers the Traditional Mass.  It is just that the shepherd has been struck and we are scattered.  Very simple!  

    Worry more that your priest is not preaching heresy, than the subject of  jurisdiction.

     


    It seems as if the feminist Myrna will never learn that women have No Business meddling in theological matters. MO is that she is a Prot.



     :sleep:
    Please pray for my soul.
    R.I.P. 8/17/22

    My new blog @ https://myforever.blog/blog/


    Offline SJB

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5171
    • Reputation: +1932/-17
    • Gender: Male
    MHT Seminary Newsletter (February 2012)
    « Reply #77 on: March 23, 2012, 11:17:01 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: MyrnaM
    I could be all wrong, but it seems that some Traditional Catholics do not really think of their chapels or wherever they are attending Mass as The Church.

    I attend CMRI, and I don't concern myself with questions like do they have jurisdiction or not.  The first law is not jurisdiction for the Church, it is saving souls.  CMRI as far as I am concerned is the Church, as well as SSPX, as well as anywhere else that offers the Traditional Mass.  It is just that the shepherd has been struck and we are scattered.  Very simple!  

    Worry more that your priest is not preaching heresy, than the subject of  jurisdiction.


    I agree we should place the preaching of heresy above the subject of jurisdiction, yet this does not mean the question of jurisdiction is unimportant. It seems all traditional groups have attempted to deal with the question of jurisdiction in some manner, this being a proof of it's importance.

    I don't have a problem with Myrna's approach, yet I do fault her for being critical of those who look further.

    Anyway, you can't say CMRI is the Church, because it isn't true.

    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

    Offline roscoe

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 7611
    • Reputation: +617/-404
    • Gender: Male
    MHT Seminary Newsletter (February 2012)
    « Reply #78 on: March 23, 2012, 01:40:09 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • It is all very simple. CMRI says there is no Pope & that is heretical. Myrna is not concerned with heresy or jurisdiction because she( like CMRI) recognises neither.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 8212
    • Reputation: +7173/-7
    • Gender: Male
    MHT Seminary Newsletter (February 2012)
    « Reply #79 on: March 23, 2012, 02:29:59 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • So there is a true Pope somewhere in the world, we just don't know where or who he is? That is sheer insanity.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


    Offline SJB

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 5171
    • Reputation: +1932/-17
    • Gender: Male
    MHT Seminary Newsletter (February 2012)
    « Reply #80 on: March 23, 2012, 08:11:56 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: SJB
    Quote from: Cupertino
    Quote from: Lover of Truth
    Quote from: SJB
    Quote from: Lover of Truth

    Quote

    Firstly, jurisdiction is not identical to "authority". Perhaps you would like to talk about that distinction first? Don't complain, because I am happy to discuss.


    Hey Cupertino,

    Thanks for the response.  I would like to discuss that.  Can you make the distinction for me?  I had not even considered that.

    Thank you,
    John


    Yes RS, can you make the distinction and provide the sources?


    Cupertino?


    Don't pay any attention to SJB. He is obviously being provoking. He has recently been emphasizing that he thinks I am "Robert Sheenan" and that RS is/was also "Rawhide/Bazz/Nonno/Cupertino". He has memorized it! Is it SJB's purpose to stir up umbrage to try to get Matthew to ban me for having previous accounts? It seems so. SJB should try to recall how Matthew has (back in September) publicly invited "Rob Sheenan" (along with skifast) to join here again, whilst Matthew believed that RS was previously Rawhide and Nonno (not sure about Bazz). SJB is effectively pushing for Matthew to renege on his decision of pardon.

    LoT, I will very soon post about authority and jurisdiction for you.


    Sounds to me like RS doesn't have any sources and can't really answer the question posed to him. I have no desire to have Matthew do anything, but it would have been better if Rawhide had never been banned or, if he returned, kept the same name.

    This is all a diversion however, and the real question is why Cupertino can't explain his comments about jurisdiction and authority.


    How about it, Rob?
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil

    Offline roscoe

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 7611
    • Reputation: +617/-404
    • Gender: Male
    MHT Seminary Newsletter (February 2012)
    « Reply #81 on: March 24, 2012, 11:54:19 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • There will be no answer to the question. The fact is that there have been more than a few times over the past 2000 yrs that people have not known who the pope is. GWS is just one example.

    Not knowing who the real Pope is at this time is the only plausible solution to the present state of affairs. There is No Such Thing as a 'sede vacantist'& it is obvious that Benedict 16 is an anti-pope.
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

    Offline Busillis

    • Jr. Member
    • **
    • Posts: 262
    • Reputation: +118/-0
    • Gender: Male
    MHT Seminary Newsletter (February 2012)
    « Reply #82 on: March 24, 2012, 01:00:52 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: roscoe
    There will be no answer to the question. The fact is that there have been more than a few times over the past 2000 yrs that people have not known who the pope is. GWS is just one example.

    Not knowing who the real Pope is at this time is the only plausible solution to the present state of affairs. There is No Such Thing as a 'sede vacantist'& it is obvious that Benedict 16 is an anti-pope.


    But people at least knew who could possibly be the pope in the past. They were visible, even if many rejected them. If Benedict's a false pope, and there's a real pope out there, then the real pope is doing a bang-up job of concealing himself.


    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 8212
    • Reputation: +7173/-7
    • Gender: Male
    MHT Seminary Newsletter (February 2012)
    « Reply #83 on: March 24, 2012, 03:57:48 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Hermenegild
    Why is it?


    How can you acknowledge or submit to a Pope if you don't even know who or where he is? And how would you ever find out?

    Quote
    By "we" I'm sure you don't mean only the contributors to this forum.


    I mean Traditional Catholics.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

    Offline KofCTrad

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 81
    • Reputation: +55/-1
    • Gender: Male
    MHT Seminary Newsletter (February 2012)
    « Reply #84 on: March 28, 2012, 03:02:49 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: Caminus
    Quote from: KofCTrad
    Quote from: Caminus
    Once again, the crux of the matter is how one understands the nature of the magisterium.  He gets it wrong and thus sees only one possibility, just like the Catholic who believes he must accept VII in toto.


    No he doesn't. His letter is crystal clear in theology and logic. He even uses the Vatican II "Popes" and theologians to back his assertions. They condemn themselves out of their own mouths.

    I have great respect for the SSPX and use them to get the sacraments. But the one thing that's always puzzled me is why they can't see the obvious. I used to like and hold their position because it was more "comforting". But the more I read and the more I observed I realized the position is untenable.

    John XXIIII was most assuredly a freemason. Masons themselves as well as Turkish guards testify to this. He refused to publish the Third Secret just as all of his successors have followed. Cardinal Siri was elected Pope. Even Malichi Martin attests to this in Keys of His Blood. These assertions are 95% probable and accurate from numerous sources. The apostacy of the last 50 years also point to these assertions being true. Even Archbishop Lefebvre was aware of the possibility and said so on numerous occasions but for whatever reasosns could not make a definitive statement. It becomes more obvious, to me anyway, by the day that the last Vicar of Christ was His Holiness Pope Pius XII.

    Whether there is a secret successor of Siri floating around under ground or not will be found out in God's good time. In the mean time I hope for the day when Peter and Paul will come down from heaven, preach in the whole world and the light will shine on the cardinal who is to become the Roman Pontiff. If indeed those prophecies are true? Of course this is after the horrible wars and revolutions where, "half the world, deep drenched in blood, will die." And as Our Lady said, "The living will envy the dead."


    Yes, he does.  He misunderstands the nature of the universal ordinary magisterium.  His article may be internally coherent and logical, but since he labors under a false definition, and therefor puts forth a false dichotomy, he comes to a false conclusion.  But considering what kind of "evidence" compels your intellect to assent to any given proposition, e.g. John XXIII was a freemason, I'm not sure your opinion holds much water.  


    No water? I think there's a hole in your bucket.

    chew on this:

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=17922

    How anyone can have access to the information available today and still think Roncalli, Montini etc... are valid popes is beyond my comprehension.

    The maxim, "a DOUBTFUL Pope IS NO Pope."  should lay these puppies to rest.

    I think this mid April deadline will be very interesting. It may finally force some or even all in the SSPX to come to a decision and face reality. You can't not make a decision forever. Either they're Popes and you follow them, since that's what he asks of you, or you proclaim the truth to the world. The Catholic structures have been infiltrated and usurped by a coup 54 years ago.

    Catholics can not have differences in doctrine. But according to the SSPX and Vatican that's exactly the case. So we have a strange predicament here. They both can't be Catholic. Either the SSPX is in schism or Rome has been usurped.

    There's no middle ground. As much as the SSPX wants their "Wonderland".